Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Hassan Al-Somal said:
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This image provides a compelling representation of the individuals who reside in the region, hold significant economic interests there, and exercise political or administrative authority within it. Only if the prostitutes across the Persian Gulf had IQs above 80, there would not have been any wars over the last five decades.
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Flotilla said:
Let´s be honest;

42 aircrafts in 41 days.

And Russia and China providing raw materials and light SAM systems.

Do you need really ask a fortune teller to know what will happen?.

And we will know very soon. Very very soon...
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and I would even say even more important is the Chinese satellite tracking

and its the live tracking that allowed them to hit the E3 AWACS on the taxi way

this war involves China

more "in orbit" hand overs would be good
 
Meengla said:
Notice that Pakistani delegates don't wear neckties when they meet Iranians in Iran as sign of respect: Iranians don't wear ties as they think symbolically represent the Crucifix.

NY Times has a major article about Israel being sidelined. Very dangerous for Israel if there is an agreement representing even the JCPOA of 2015.


There are other concerns for Israel about the possible contours of a U.S.-Iran agreement, including a lifting of economic sanctions against Tehran. Doing so could amount to an economic lifeline, flooding Iran with billions of dollars that it could then use to rearm and to help its proxy forces, like Hezbollah, replenish their own arsenals with weapons to use against Israel.

While little is certain yet about the shape of an eventual deal — and any agreement could still be postponed by a renewal of fighting — what seems clear is that Israel’s partnership with the United States has come at a steep price. A country that for generations prided itself on “defending ourselves by ourselves,” and whose leaders exasperated a succession of American presidents with their hardheaded recalcitrance, is now making little secret of its need, and willingness, to submit to Mr. Trump’s demands.

As Defense Minister Israel Katz said on April 23, as President Trump threatened to resume the war and bomb Iran back to the “Stone Age”: “We are only waiting for the green light from the U.S.”

That admission was a humbling climbdown from the heady first days of the war, when the two countries achieved air supremacy and were so confident of success that they urged the Iranian people to topple the regime and secure their future.
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No, neckties are not historically known to symbolize the crucifix. You can look up Cravat Day.
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Meengla said:
Notice that Pakistani delegates don't wear neckties when they meet Iranians in Iran as sign of respect: Iranians don't wear ties as they think symbolically represent the Crucifix.

NY Times has a major article about Israel being sidelined. Very dangerous for Israel if there is an agreement representing even the JCPOA of 2015.


There are other concerns for Israel about the possible contours of a U.S.-Iran agreement, including a lifting of economic sanctions against Tehran. Doing so could amount to an economic lifeline, flooding Iran with billions of dollars that it could then use to rearm and to help its proxy forces, like Hezbollah, replenish their own arsenals with weapons to use against Israel.

While little is certain yet about the shape of an eventual deal — and any agreement could still be postponed by a renewal of fighting — what seems clear is that Israel’s partnership with the United States has come at a steep price. A country that for generations prided itself on “defending ourselves by ourselves,” and whose leaders exasperated a succession of American presidents with their hardheaded recalcitrance, is now making little secret of its need, and willingness, to submit to Mr. Trump’s demands.

As Defense Minister Israel Katz said on April 23, as President Trump threatened to resume the war and bomb Iran back to the “Stone Age”: “We are only waiting for the green light from the U.S.”

That admission was a humbling climbdown from the heady first days of the war, when the two countries achieved air supremacy and were so confident of success that they urged the Iranian people to topple the regime and secure their future.
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The end game of this detente between US+Israel against Iran is getting obvious- if US and Israel fail to damage Iran and it's regional network military enough(to force them to comply with the US -israeli agenda for the region), their only option is to negotiate a peace deal with Iran that involves considerable concessions to iran- this is the truth that nobody can alter.

US doesn't want to give Iran concessions, but it most likely can't force Iran militarily to concede either, and Iran in response won't let go off the economic g clamp aka soh it has in US and the GCC.

Trump basically put US in a HORRIBLE strategic situation ,no wonder he talks schizophrenic in media interviews these days- he's a frog in the boiling pot of water.
 
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FUB said:
No, neckties are not historically known to symbolize the crucifix. You can look up Cravat Day.
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Cravat (early) - Wikipedia

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It is the perception of neckties and in Pakistan, too, under General Zia's proto-Taliban rule, the neckties went out of official usage in the 80s. My teens/early 20s were unfortunately under Zia's rule.
 
DENMARK is next?
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Yah babbbby!

1 hour ago


I double check Social Truth, it is confirmed there
 
925boy said:
The end game of this detente between US+Israel against Iran is getting obvious- if US and Israel fail to damage Iran and it's regional network military enough(to force them to comply with the US -israeli agenda for the region), their only option is to negotiate a peace deal with Iran that involves considerable concessions to iran- this is the truth that nobody can alter.
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America will be fine to walk away even if tail between its legs. Not so for Israel. Actually, horrible consequences for Israel even in medium term if Americans withdraw, leaving Israel high and dry. Israel's entire existence is dependent upon its influence in America and that is fast receding. NY Times posted a Poll recently: Over 90% Democrats are opposed to this war. 90%!!
Any ceasefire even going to status quo ante will be an Iranian victory and a huge defeat for Israel. As for America: It is a country with immense human and natural resources and with two greatest allies: The two giant oceans. America will be fine especially after some painful course correction in domestic politics.
 
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