Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Yes I agree.

One US ship has to be hit then only deterrence will be restored. Even if US strikes back they will be more than wary to escalate issue such as this.

Right now it seems that US is more than ok to engage in low intensity strikes to send a message. Iran cannot allow that and must wrestle bXkthe escalation ladder.





Its estimated 2 billion pounds each days for 60 odd days 24/7 … and still that not included destroyed bases high end radars , military aircraft at least 150 billion pounds for sure. Nothing about this ONGOING war makes sense anymore for US pal.
 
I don’t know if any future president (Republican or Democrat) would ever want to attack Iran again and after seeing the disaster this turned into. And I don’t think the rest of the world would sit idle and quiet if it happens again.

This was a use it once card. And Trump might have been the only US president with dictator like power and cult like following and enough political capital (initially) to do such an attack.

Future U.S. presidents much like Mojtaba won’t have nearly have enough political capital to risk their presidency legacy on another Iran war.

As for what Israel does on its own, that will depend. After 2006, everyone thought another HZ Lebanon war was right around the corner. Instead it didn’t happen till 17 years later (2023).

So everyone will claim another war with Iran is just around the corner, but it could be many years or decades or never if Iran gets the nuke.
They cannot be trusted m*********** you broke contract killed their leaders when you were on negotiation table how these Americans lie openly on the face of world. You attack twice on them. You killed their daughters 174 daughters in school.. You killed the supreme leader. You killed wife mother and daughter of new supreme leader. You feeded genocide. What kind of s*** these people eat
 
Huge miscalculation made by Trump. If there was even calculation in the first place , this will be in the history books as the stupidest war in recent times.

It was not "miscalculation"! It is by design!
Just like the Iraq war... just like the other regime change wars... the project that started essentially under Reagan is now reaching climax. Another way to look at it... to reconcile with dissonance is... The US is NOT the protagonist but a piece on the board. That will put everything in perspective for you.
 
I don’t know if any future president (Republican or Democrat) would ever want to attack Iran again and after seeing the disaster this turned into. And I don’t think the rest of the world would sit idle and quiet if it happens again.

This was a use it once card. And Trump might have been the only US president with dictator like power and cult like following and enough political capital (initially) to do such an attack.

Future U.S. presidents much like Mojtaba won’t have nearly have enough political capital to risk their presidency legacy on another Iran war.

As for what Israel does on its own, that will depend. After 2006, everyone thought another HZ Lebanon war was right around the corner. Instead it didn’t happen till 17 years later (2023).

So everyone will claim another war with Iran is just around the corner, but it could be many years or decades or never if Iran gets the nuke.

Going forward, the USA has weakened its position relative to Iran, as the threat war is off the table. Iran took the best blows from both Iran and USA, two nuclear powers. What can the USA threaten to do to Iran, that it has not already tried to do so. This make negotiations for the USA harder in the future as Trump/Netanyahu have weakened the USA position.
 
This would be MAD. In war you do the unthinkable right!
Iran needs to just finish the job take desalinations plants across the GULF and be done with it .
 
I don’t know if any future president (Republican or Democrat) would ever want to attack Iran again and after seeing the disaster this turned into. And I don’t think the rest of the world would sit idle and quiet if it happens again.

This was a use it once card. And Trump might have been the only US president with dictator like power and cult like following and enough political capital (initially) to do such an attack.

Future U.S. presidents much like Mojtaba won’t have nearly have enough political capital to risk their presidency legacy on another Iran war.

As for what Israel does on its own, that will depend. After 2006, everyone thought another HZ Lebanon war was right around the corner. Instead it didn’t happen till 17 years later (2023).

So everyone will claim another war with Iran is just around the corner, but it could be many years or decades or never if Iran gets the nuke.
Your point about Israel Hezb war in 2006 is instructive. Post 2006 the US-Israel strategies changed to airpower, technology based surveillance, assassinations, sabotage and removing the Assad regime in Syria all of which paid dividends in the 2024 conflict.

I expect them to follow the same path now with regards to Iran for the next 10 to 20 years. To me the main Iranian challenge will be splitting the US from Israel, and if it can succeed there then there won't be any future war. Israel won't dare tackle Iran by itself.
 
Instead of asking the messenger stop smoking. I am nobody. 😁

LOL. You "worry" about USA having cancer, but then "rejoice" when it does poorly. Who is high here is evident. :D

On topic, let us stop pretending.

What is starkly clear is that Iran has lost the overall geopolitical plot by virtue of being all alone in its political stance and proxy warfare. It has indeed well in the war thus far, but it has destroyed its own economy in the process.

How it will come out of this situation will be interesting to see. Its proxies has all been whittled down to the point of being ineffective. Now Iran itself is facing the situation directly.

It does have the wisdom and the means to play its cards right, and come out at the other end victorious. Whether it does that or not remains to be seen.
 
To me the main Iranian challenge will be splitting the US from Israel, and if it can succeed there then there won't be any future war.

Great strategy, but how will Iran make that actually work?
 
Its estimated 2 billion pounds each days for 60 odd days 24/7 … and still that not included destroyed bases high end radars , military aircraft at least 150 billion pounds for sure. Nothing about this ONGOING war makes sense anymore for US pal.
You are getting me wrong here.

I agree that USA have suffered more than Iran. In fact, other than just military, it's a bruised ego combined with a strategic shift in geopolitics in the region where US loses its dominance.

But that doesn't mean they can't continue to harass Iran. They will continue to do that as they continue adapting in this warfare. Iran has to step up and plug the gap here to disallow US to continue carrying out it's strikes at will. The only way is to gain control of the escalation ladder and hurt US each time it decides to escalate. That way it would be too painful for them whereby they will be forced back to the negotiation table, and agree to Iran's terms.
 
I don’t know if any future president (Republican or Democrat) would ever want to attack Iran again and after seeing the disaster this turned into. And I don’t think the rest of the world would sit idle and quiet if it happens again.

This was a use it once card. And Trump might have been the only US president with dictator like power and cult like following and enough political capital (initially) to do such an attack.

Future U.S. presidents much like Mojtaba won’t have nearly have enough political capital to risk their presidency legacy on another Iran war.

As for what Israel does on its own, that will depend. After 2006, everyone thought another HZ Lebanon war was right around the corner. Instead it didn’t happen till 17 years later (2023).

So everyone will claim another war with Iran is just around the corner, but it could be many years or decades or never if Iran gets the nuke.
This kind of optimistic thinking is what Rouhani thought about the JCPOA. It is better to expect and prepare for the worst. And it doesn't have to be a US strike, it can be another Israeli attack which is supported by the US.

June 2025 - Israeli attack
February 2026 - Israeli/US attack

the threshold for war with Iran is much lower now. it is difficult to rebuild it. especially since Israel incurred far less damage this time than in June last year.
 


Over the last 24 hours:

1. IDF soldier shot and killed a 7 months old Palestinian baby in Hebron

2. IDF kills a senior Lebanese military officer and two other Lebanese soldiers in an air strike in southern Lebanon

3. Israeli Settlers aided by at least one IDF soldier (see video) conduct a Pogrom in the Palestinian village of Huwara. 9 Palestinians wounded

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any words about this from the Sunni Muslim Arab countries that rushed to make peace and normalise relations with Israel, such as Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, UAE, Bahrain? @Falcon29
 
(Opinion Piece)


Congress wants to tie the United States to Israel with this new legislation. It’s a trap
Eli Clifton and Ian Lustick

Israel and its lobby will use section 224 of the National Defense Authorization Act to bind the US to a state that has gone rogue

Congress is considering legislation that would embed Israel’s military deeply within the US military-industrial complex. Stunned by the cratering of public support for Israeli policies in Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank and towards Iran, Israel’s advocates are frantically seeking to preserve and even escalate US support for the Jewish state in ways that do not rely on defense of its policies or permit scrutiny of the manipulations involved.

Politically, this means avoiding public discussion of Israeli policies in Gaza, Lebanon, the West Bank or Iran and disguising the sources of massive amounts of money pouring into election races to defeat candidates raising questions about US support for Israel. The proposed legislation shows what this means bureaucratically.

News of section 224 of the National Defense Authorization Act – a section that would deeply intertwine the US and Israeli militaries by committing to bilateral research and development, co-production of weapons, joint ventures, licensing agreements and an unprecedented integration of the US and Israeli weapons industries – triggered an immediate backlash led by Representatives Thomas Massie, a Republican from Kentucky, and Ro Khanna, a Democrat from California, to strip the section from the defense budget.

The origins of this addition to the defense budget tell us much about how Israel’s lobby pursues a foreign country’s interests even as 60% of Americans now hold an unfavorable view of Israel.

In February, the representatives Don Davis, a Democrat from North Carolina, and Ronny Jackson, a Republican from Texas, introduced the United States-Israel Framework for Upgraded Technologies, Unified Research, and Enhanced Security (Futures) Act of 2026 alongside companion legislation in the Senate introduced by senators Ted Budd, a Republican from North Carolina, and Kirsten Gillibrand, a Democrat from New York. Israel’s lobby prominently endorsed and lobbied on the legislation.

The Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a pro-Israel thinktank originally incorporated as “Emet”, the Hebrew word for “truth”, and committed, according to its founding IRS filings, “to provid[ing] education to enhance Israel’s image in North America and the public’s understanding of issues affecting Israeli-Arab relations”, advocated for closer integration of US and Israeli militaries and weapons research and development in a December report, Beyond the US-Israel MOU: The Case for a Strategic Partnership Agreement.

Two months later, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies was the only outside validator for the legislation on Davis’s 19 February press release. “The United States–Israel Futures Act builds on decades of successful collaboration by improving cooperation across the public, private, and academic sectors to swiftly develop, test, and field defense technologies that will help safeguard US service members and provide Israel with the means to combat a diverse set of threats from foreign adversarial states and terror groups,” said Tyler Stapleton, senior director of government relations at the FDD. “FDD Action strongly supports the bipartisan United States-Israel Futures Act.”

On 19 February, Washington’s largest pro-Israel lobby group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), endorsed the legislation, highlighting its “key provisions”, including “encouraging US-based co-production, joint ventures, and manufacturing partnerships with Israeli industry”.

Aipac also reported lobbying on the US-Israel Futures Act on Capitol Hill as well as at the Department of Defense in the first quarter of the year. While neither the House nor Senate legislation made it out of committee, the same legislative architecture and much of the same language appeared in section 224 of the NDAA, buried deep within the 505-page draft legislation.

In short, Aipac and the FDD were successful in moving their unpopular legislative agendas forward, even as both the House and Senate bills remain stalled in committees.

Make no mistake, the intent and the consequences of this legislation, dubbed the United States–Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative, go far, far beyond the sharing of military technology that traditionally has attracted so much support among Senators and Congress members.

For the Israel-first theorists whose thinking and position papers guided its formulation, it is the proverbial camel’s nose. By making the United States increasingly dependent on Israeli technology – in AI, quantum computing, high-powered lasers, cyberwarfare, anti-drone systems, and other advanced fields – while also transferring America’s most sophisticated technologies to Israeli governments, Israel and its advocates are quietly steering the relationship away from patronage or even partnership and toward something more asymmetrical: a structure designed to harness American power for the aims of “Zionism 2.0”.

That was the vision advanced by David Wurmser, the main author of the Clean Break document – a 1996 policy paper submitted to Benjamin Netanyahu, which advocated ending the Oslo peace process, casting the US and Israel as engaged in a struggle to defend western civilization, empowering Israel to reshape the political landscape of the Middle East, and overthrowing regimes in the region, beginning with Iraq. Its signatories included Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. All three were highly placed within the George W Bush administration as architects of the American invasion of Iraq.

Wurmser introduced this new “Zionism 2.0” framework in a report published the same month the US-Israel Futures Act was introduced. Titled Israel 2048: A Blueprint for a Rising Asymmetric Geopolitical Power, the report advocates an Israeli security strategy based on “preventative wars”. US authorization for these wars is to be achieved by forging such an intimate relationship between the Israeli and US militaries that Israel would become “indispensable” to the United States, both in the Middle East and in its global struggle to defend “western civilization” against Russia, China and an increasingly Islamized Europe.

Their vision is of “New Jerusalem” (the US) wedded to “Old Jerusalem” (Israel) on the basis of both having been divinely chosen for the mission of saving civilization from the “red-green” (Marxist-Muslim) alliance.

For Israel, this means not just ruling all the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, but dominating the Middle East, launching wars of “prevention” against all potential adversaries (including Turkey, Iran and even Egypt) and, with Britain and France succumbing to the influence of foreign immigrants and the disease of “European secularism”, serving as the US’s most important ally in its global struggle to preserve “civilization” – labeled either “Jewish-Christian” or “western”.

The extravagance of such ideas clearly marks the origins of the project, exposing the influence of well-funded dark-money groups and thinktanks exerting their influence on behalf of Israel’s government.

Now is the time to say what section 224 of the National Defense Authorization Act really is: not an alliance with a talented and responsible ally that will help keep the US safe, but a trap being set by Israel and its lobby to bind our country to a state that, for all its past promise, has gone rogue.
 
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