Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

VCheng said:
That is why the solution to the present conflict lies in negotiations, and not in an endless tit-for-tat cycle of attacks and counter-attacks. Those will achieve nothing for either side.
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War is always concluded by negotiations when the involved parties believe that no further progress can be made and either one side has been defeated or the war has reached a stalemate but in this case, neither of the sides think that way yet.

The US and Israel think they can get everything they want with more pressure and Iran doesn't seem to be willing to concede everything it has too easily, which is why we are going to witness more skirmishes between Iran, Israel and the US before something changes either in Iran or the US.
 
Corax said:
In that case, a forum discussing war and potential conflict is an odd place to spend a lot of time, don't you think?
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No, it is logical. Or do you mean to say only warmongers are allowed to post here?
 
Musings said:
Bro
Netanyahu is out of control. IMO - Not listening to the orange man.
Even hes had enough of the this bastard.
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That is what I think, behind closed doors there will be a massive rupture.

US consumers are feeling the pain, Nasdaq this morning is in meltdown and Republicans know they are gonna get crucified in the mid terms.

Netanyahu led Trump down this path telling him it will be quick. This is now turning out worse then Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan for the effect it has on US prestige and power.

If it were not for Jewish lobby Trump with have dumped Israel on day 3 of this war.
Trump now realising the cost here.

I think we all knew that at some point Israel's relationship with the US would rupture, especially as most young Americans now consider Israel a threat to world peace. I think we may now see the start of that rupture.
 
ShapurII said:
War is always concluded by negotiations when the involved parties believe that no further progress can be made and either one side has been defeated or the war has reached a stalemate but in this case, neither of the sides think that way yet.

The US and Israel think they can get everything they want with more pressure and Iran doesn't seem to be willing to concede everything it has too easily, which is why we are going to witness more skirmishes between Iran, Israel and the US before something changes either in Iran or the US.
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Agreed. We can take the present scenario as nothing more than trying to build up the best negotiating position by both sides.
 
Yasser76 said:
Not sure, seems like this attack may not have had US backing, for sure the Americans would not have physically stopped the Israelis, but looks like no logistics support. Mind you we can only guess I suppose, last time flightradar was full of US tankers in the region, no nothing is in the air
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You are probably right. So far, doesn't seem like the USAF support like it was prior to the April ceasefire and that limits Israel's options.
I don't think Americans are fully behind this latest attack on Iran. In last two months, Iran has learned even more lessons and prepared better to face the Goddamn mad dog Netanyahu would is arrogant enough to attack on his own.
 
Persian Gulf said:
Gaza Strip is 365km^2

Tehran province (not just the city) is 18,800km^2

The city itself as you say is 730km^2, twice the size of the entire Gaza Strip

Not to mention the massive difference in delivering munitions to Gaza vs a target 1500km away
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The city of Gaza is barely 45km². The Gaza strip is the equivalent of the Tehran Province, not the metropolitan area of Tehran.

The metropolitan area of Tehran is 16 times larger than the metropolitan area of Gaza. The province of Tehran is more than 50 times larger than the Gaza Strip.

The metropolitan population of Tehran is 9 million, while the province of Tehran has 16 million residents. Gaza on the other hand has 2 million people.
 
Musings said:
Bro
Netanyahu is out of control. IMO - Not listening to the orange man.
Even hes had enough of the this bastard.
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Even Yahudi have had enough of this man.
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I am sure the 3% of Pakistani's surveyed who viewed Israel in a positive light were all alt accounts of Solomon. :ROFLMAO:
 
Trump knows he has leverage here, he is a negotiator. Aid, arms, logistics, intelligence, missile defence. US can stop all of these

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Musings said:
Bro
Netanyahu is out of control. IMO - Not listening to the orange man.
Even hes had enough of the this bastard.
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That's what they want us to believe. All of their moves are calculated and coordinated.

Netanyahu is playing the madman intentionally, with the unconditional support of the US and European countries. It's not the first time even in recent history that somebody resorts to that to achieve what they want.

The US and Europe can stop Israel if they want to, they just don't want to.
 
Yasser76 said:
Back in the day one of Lockheeds F-16 marketing phrases was actually no F-16 user has ever gone to war against another F-16 user
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Going O/T here but reminds me of somthing my late uncle ex 92 L/C used to tell me how Pakistan Army refused to go on one intl exercise where IDF soldiers would be present. I remember it created a lot of negative pressure for Pakistan, but stuff like this is why I really respect our armed forces.
 
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