Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BigMela2onin]

What our collective predecessors have created as a complex problem is up to the current generation to resolve, to create a better world that works for everyone.

And what has been the current US effort to resolve it? Make extreme demands amounting to total unilateral disarmament in exchange for literally nothing and then start a war when Iran obviously rejected that. Even today, the US is offering zero, just making unilateral demands and saying we will resort to further military action if you don't agree. The US attacked Venezuela and bragged that it has all their oil now, is saying it is going to attack Cuba, threatened to take Greenland if it isn't given up, threatened Europe, threatened Canada. Trump has said he wants to just take Iranian oil if he can. The US is a threat to the entire world and when countries seek ways to defend themselves from this completely insane nuclear armed threat to humanity, you portray yourself as the victim.

 

[VCheng]

And what has been the current US effort to resolve it? Make extreme demands amounting to total unilateral disarmament in exchange for literally nothing and then start a war when Iran obviously rejected that. Even today, the US is offering zero, just making unilateral demands and saying we will resort to further military action if you don't agree. The US attacked Venezuela and bragged that it has all their oil now, is saying it is going to attack Cuba, threatened to take Greenland if it isn't given up, threatened Europe, threatened Canada. Trump has said he wants to just take Iranian oil if he can. The US is a threat to the entire world and when countries seek ways to defend themselves from this completely insane nuclear armed threat to humanity, you portray yourself as the victim.

The intent was to ask what do YOU propose as a realistic solution that can actually be implemented.

So, what do you propose should be done here and now?

 

[BigMela2onin]

The intent was to ask what do YOU propose as a realistic solution that can actually be implemented.

So, what do you propose should be done here and now?

Realistically? Nothing because the US is a lunatic country run by psychopaths.
In an ideal world? The US withdraws from West Asia, removes all sanctions, and behaves like a normal country and focuses on improving the lives of its citizens instead of waging eternal war against humanity. There will be no need for conflict then.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[unconventional]

Interesting developments at play here. Looking at it from a neutral perspective:

a) Iran was the first one to stop attacks on Israel.

After Iran stopped its attacks on Israel, Israel stopped its attacks on Iran.

Both sides have said they have only stopped attacks for now.

But it goes to show that the Iranians (enemies of the US) heeded more to Trump’s requests than the Israelis (a so-called ironclad ally).

There can be many reasons for this: Iran (as does the US) might genuinely be looking for peace, but Israel does not, and is playing spoiler.

b) Iran said it is stopping attacks on Israel, but warned them not to attack any part of Lebanon. If Israel attacks Lebanon again, they have promised restarting strikes against Israel.

Israel has halted attacks on Iran for now, but said they will keep striking Lebanon with more force.

So we will see if Iran is willing to reinforce its red line on Lebanon.

But seeing this 1-day skirmish, on the damage inflicted on Iran (by Israel) vs the damage inflicted on Israel (by Iran); it seems like Israel is feeling pretty emboldened that it can handle Lebanon and Iran simultaneously on its own without US support.

I would say this 1-day skirmish definitely goes to the Israelis. But in a prolonged war between Israel and Iran, without US support, I have no doubt that Iran would give a decisive knockout blow to Israel. In a prolonged war between Iran and Israel, with US support, it’ll be a stalemate.

Israel cannot fight Iran on its own for more than a few days/weeks. In a few days, it can inflict significant damage on Iran though, more than what Iran can on Israel by far.

 

[VCheng]

Realistically? Nothing

So you have no ideas that can help. So either the stalemate drags on, or there is a forced solution by whichever side can force it. Not a good choice.

We have to live in the world as it exists, not as we wish it would exist ideally. Mankind itself is far from perfect.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

️ Doron Kadosh / IDF Radio: Netanyahu was not accurate on one point:
Iran did not stop attacking Israel after the Israeli attacks. The last Israeli attack on Iran was around 7:00 AM, and two and a half hours later, Iran fired towards Israel, and since then Israel has not responded.

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[Yasser76]

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Exactly what i said a few posts earlier. This whole episode will leave the Israeli psychological dominance of the area in tatters. For 4 decades they bombed Beirut whenever they were in the mood. Now they cannot. What Iran is now acheiving cannot be underestimated. After this, and any "deal" things will look different.

Not with equipment or occupation of land, but of pure political power. If at anytime world knows Iran can block Hormuz, Israel will be reigned in. US will lose interest in the region.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Attacks halted for some time but good thing Iran has setup a new precedent that if you behave like a gangster in our area by attacking your neighbors. Then we will pay you a visit to update your software.
Shame on all the Arab nations surrounding isreal.....Iran is doing what they are supposed to do.
One of them aka UAE is a complete whore of isreal.

 

[Yasser76]

Attacks halted for some time but good thing Iran has setup a new precedent that if you behave like a gangster in our area by attacking your neighbors. Then we will pay you a visit to update your software.
Shame on all the Arab nations surrounding isreal.....Iran is doing what they are supposed to do.
One of them aka UAE is a complete whore of isreal.

UAE is finished, trust me. Once US withdraws, Israel is reigned in and Pakistan hates them, between the Saudis and Iranians both of them will decide what to do with the Makhtouns and Al Nayans.

Only good thing about Dubai right now is that all the 5 star hotels will be dirt cheap

 

[BigMela2onin]

So you have no ideas that can help. So either the stalemate drags on, or there is a forced solution by whichever side can force it. Not a good choice.

We have to live in the world as it exists, not as we wish it would exist ideally. Mankind itself is far from perfect.

We all already know your opinion:
https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/us-perspective-on-the-iran-israel-us-war.31323/post-1305400
People with beliefs like yours are why there is no realistic solution.

 

[Wingzero30]

Netanyahu is a nobody, he's just a fall guy. We don't know who is pulling the strings other than they're zionists trying to spawn their messiah. When he goes another one will take his place.

Netanyahu might be taking orders from some crazy messianiac zionist rabbi but he is still a powerhouse in israeli politics even if he is a fall guy. A kind of like a King on the chessboard. He has been in israeli politics longer as prime minister than anyone else. His wit, political cunningness and intelligence and downright evil mind is unmatched by his fellow zionists even if the latter are more extreme.

Ben gvir and smotchrich are more extreme than netanyahu but come across as more idiots.

If netanyahu is taken out or dies this will have major impact not just within the evil entity but also across the whole region.

His obsessionn with Iran is keeping the whole middle east on the edge and he knows this is his last chance.

That's why him being killed by Iranian sword would send shockwaves across the world and turn the tides of middle eastern politics forever.

As long as netanyahu remains, Iranians and the wider region can't relax.

I don't think there is anyone else in the evil entity that is of the same caliber or as charismatic as netanyahu.

That's why I believe if netanyahu were to die it should be done by the Iranians in the war like situation as a parting gift to him and as his biggest regret of his evil life.

 

[VCheng]

People with beliefs like yours are why there is no realistic solution.

Not my belief, I pointed out the key quote about Rubio's beliefs.

That is one side.

This is your side: "the US is a lunatic country run by psychopaths."

So now what is next?

 

[Meengla]

Attacks halted for some time but good thing Iran has setup a new precedent that if you behave like a gangster in our area by attacking your neighbors. Then we will pay you a visit to update your software.

Israelis are calling it a 'new security paradigm' and saying they will not allow this to establish. They are also gloating about Netanyahu defied President Trump and got away with that.
BTW, every American President starting with Reagan (and maybe even before) at least some time reigned in Israel. Even Joe Biden, who was the most pro Israel President until Trump came, explicitly warned and stopped from attacking Iran. President Trump is going to face a hard choice: To protect the American interests by getting out of this war or to indulge Netanyahu's expansionist goals.

 

[OldTwilight]

Well , we didn't sell out Lebanon , we didn't sell anyone for our own gain. I hope the Arabs remember this.

Im not satisfied at all , but I hope this year we get 45 su-35 and increase the number to 150 and if we can buy 50 su-57 , rebuild our air force and air defence as well , then we do not need worry about none-nuclear powered advesary ...