Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

This is what the wait was for all along...
One last push...
Iran can do best to consolidate new positions. And stick to A2/AD!

Never trust the words of orange clown... he needed an intermediary precisely because he is so profoundly deceitful and untrustworthy! He would even back stab the intermediary or intermediaries ... he backstabbed Michael Cohen... his fixer! Who got caught paying off stormy... later becoming key witness in over 30 felonies by the orange clown!

 

[Meengla]

"we'll have a signed document, that is actually stronger than doing the bombing" - Trump
Trump discovers JCPOA ...

JCPOA and the Oman negotiations just before this war were major Iranian concessions. It will be certainly different now, in favor of Iran.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

JCPOA and the Oman negotiations just before this war were major Iranian concessions. It will be certainly different now, in favor of Iran.

No such thing!
He's delaying the inevitable by paying Iranian money through gulf sheikhdoms... later releasing the funds to them under rebuilding their own losses.
While priming for another bout!

 

[Persian Gulf]

Araghchi: we will respond with force

IRGC-ASF: silence

Is this Opposite Day?

 

[Meengla]

i have a feeling that there will not be a peace deal at all, just temporary pauses of the wars. Also by the time the next president arrives, there might not be much of an economy or greatness to save.....it might be too late to prevent the economical recession of the entire world.......
the world economy is on the brink of great depression, and in 2-3 months it will really start impacting entire globe....
perhaps its a little too late now to salvage anything at this point onwards?

The gloom and doom predicting the global economy has been raging for several weeks. Some used to say 'by June' and here we are in the second week of June. Now people, like Prof. Pape, saying by July. Plenty of theories/predictions around for a 'recession' to be followed by a global 'depression'.
I am not sure. The only thing I am certain at this point is that this is Netanyahu/Israel's last chance and much will depend on President Trump to put his foot down on Netanyahu's neck to try to stop destroying the global economy if there is a major war again--a major regional war. But if Trump prevails then I have feeling the world will be fine in a short timeframe.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

U.S. LAUNCHING SECOND WAVE OF ATTACKS ON IRAN NOW

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IRGC so god damn slow that the U.S. left then came back to start the second wave before the IRGC fired even one missile

 

[Meengla]

No such thing!
He's delaying the inevitable by paying Iranian money through gulf sheikhdoms... later releasing the funds to them under rebuilding their own losses.
While priming for another bout!

That makes no sense. Releasing funds to Iran which would help the dire Iranian economy and its defense and then later come back to Iran again. Is that what you are saying?

But I think the Apache helicopter downed looks like either false flag or a provocation to probe the Iranian assets for more targets. That is, if an Apache even went down? There is already too much mystery around the Isfahan Rescue Raid to trust the narratives thrown around.

 

[Hayabusa]

The attacks are likely coming from US aircraft carriers, and honestly, hitting their land bases in Kuwait and Bahrain isn't doing much to deter them. Iran has punched above its weight, and held its own, but if Iran wants to change the game and control the escalation, they need their missiles to achieve a strike on the carriers and warships.

The problem is, even though Iran's missiles can do serious damage, they aren't advanced enough to break through the massive air defense systems protecting those US ships. If Iran doesn't adapt its tech and tactics fast, they're going to get stuck in a loop of daily airstrikes.

 

[hasssanali8998]

US is still attacking yet not a peep from Iran/IRGCAF
Like trump even told u he was gonna attack , c’mon guys

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

That makes no sense. Releasing funds to Iran which would help the dire Iranian economy and its defense and then later come back to Iran again. Is that what you are saying?

So, let's say the quiet part out loud!
It is his war... and he is and has been using his leverage as US president to get more money for his cronies and kids... his personal empire. Not to give any ideas to Iranians... he's using the realtors as negotiators... kick backs and deals... personal to him and entourage. Things would have swung very fast... he has simultaneously blackmailed gulf sheikhdoms and zionists already use money as a weapon.

This is his MO... hos shtick... the shysty New Yorker... played the stock market after bombing Iran and used his handle to swing positions.
Enough said!

But I think the Apache helicopter downed looks like either false flag or a provocation to probe the Iranian assets for more targets. That is, if an Apache even went down? There is already too much mystery around the Isfahan Rescue Raid to trust the narratives thrown around.

Ultimately it will be a run for the straits... time is not in favor of invasion, EVER!... He doesn't have a working solution and not enough whereabouts are known... perhaps even a militia are two with operatives need more time and a working plan.

 

[Immortals]

U.S. LAUNCHING SECOND WAVE OF ATTACKS ON IRAN NOW

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IRGC so god damn slow that the U.S. left then came back to start the second wave before the IRGC fired even one missile

3rd wave:

 

[Falcon29]

Does anybody believe a drone brought down a helicopter over the Strait of Hormuz ? Are there even helicopters deployed there? Probably not.

What's the primary motivation behind these strikes ?

 

[Bharatah]

Attention: All the information posted here comes from US and Israeli sources, who have been caught lying several times. The US has already said that Iran no longer has aircraft, navy, or defense systems; now it claims to be attacking them, yet they were seen blowing up a water reservoir.

This is part of a media campaign, a war strategy, with control of media, social networks, paid bloggers,Twitter profiles and etc. There is already information (here in Brazil) that Trump will "declare total victory against Iran in two weeks," therefore another "victory narrative" is being constructed.

NOTE: I've said this many times and I'll repeat it: American military attacks are not aimed at destroying the enemy (exactly) but at generating a "victory narrative" (the attack is planned for the repercussions it will bring). The objective is to simulate strength to their audience and sell the idea that the adversary is weak or is weakening.

 

[Immortals]

Does anybody believe a drone brought down a helicopter over the Strait of Hormuz ? Are there even helicopters deployed there? Probably not.

What's the primary motivation behind these strikes ?

Rumor is more than one helicopter was hit, but only one went down. And the “drone” they talk about is likely a loitering munition.

US has attacked numerous speed boats so they finally attacked back.

But this current 3 wave attack response on Iran that has been going on for about 3 hours now, is certainly not proportional to 1 or 2 helicopters being attacked. Especially considering there were 0 pilots killed.

So once again, Iran will have a judgement call on if it wants to match the escalation ladder and gain deterrence or not.

Trumps recommendation to go all out seems to me like he isn’t too afraid of escalation. And Iran keeps accommodating him whenever he wants a ceasefire. Which only stiffens his resolve: