Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Nawnaw1]

And I posted that clip of the news conference where imam putin admitted that he hasn't given diddly to Iran, not that Iran asked for anything from Russia, but he admitted that he hasn't sold anything to Iran.

Neither Russia nor China have anything meaningful to sell to Iran either.

We see how Russia fights in Ukraine, which is deplorable to say the least. And that China is even weaker than Russia and has jack shit experience/ weaponry fighting modern wars.

Not a good situ for Iran.......

China is weaker than Russia? Come on please. Go read some basics on the internet. China is so strong actually, that war will never reach it's shores. It's exactly what Sun Tzu said. The real winner of the war is the one who doesn't even need fighting. Unlike Russia that's been encroached upon since 1989 and completely cornered into having to fight this war in Ukraine (far too late).

 

[Immortals]

CENTCOM is propaganda. They also claim Strait of Hormuz is open and everything is fine. So don’t expect CENTCOM to ever tell you anything.

 

[the saint]

 

[Nawnaw1]

There's a clear trend here:

1- Alliance with the US: Imperial Iran, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait
2- Alliance with the Communists: Cuba, Venezuela, Libya, Saddam's Iraq, Islamic Republic of Iran, North Korea, Belarus, Nicaragua, Somalia

It is no coincidence when the pattern repeats itself in every case.

When did Iran ever have an alliance with the communists? Under the Shah, before or after? Stop saying silly things.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

CENTCOM is propaganda. They also claim Strait of Hormuz is open and everything is fine. So don’t expect CENTCOM to ever tell you anything.

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The same Tweet was posted in the US Perspectives thread.

There are ways to confirm if true or not. A tweet is not one of those.

 

[mangekyo]

It's trivial that every country is after its own interests, but for what is worth, our short period of cooperation with the Americans during 60s and 70s helped us build a modern, well-trained army that saved our territorial integrity and sovereignty in one of the world's largest wars fought after World War II.

That aside, they also heavily improved our civilian infrastructure, education, quality of life, etc. When we had good relations with the Americans, Iranians lived in relative prosperity compared to what is happening now.

Our friendship with the Russians never achieved anything remotely similar to that. The Chinese were initially helpful, but it all changed after their focus shifted towards Arab states in the Persian Gulf. We haven't had normal relations with China ever since, even though our interests align and we aren't enemies at the moment.

It wasn’t a friendship. They used us and when they no longer had any need for us, they went to the Saudis and ditched us. All because the shah grew balls and stood up to the Europeans.

Anyways, we are where we are now and there’s no reason to look back.

 

[the saint]

 

[SolarWarden]

CENTCOM is propaganda. They also claim Strait of Hormuz is open and everything is fine. So don’t expect CENTCOM to ever tell you anything.

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Like come on bruh both can be totally right..... like it's all about the state of mind if Iran says it's closed then in their minds it's closed if US says it's open then it's open.... state of mind bruh.

 

[Nawnaw1]

It wasn’t a friendship. They used us and when they no longer had any need for us, they went to the Saudis and ditched us. All because the shah grew balls and stood up to the Europeans.

Anyways, we are where we are now and there’s no reason to look back.

Indeed. Empires use countries like used condoms. Do we need to rehash who put in Saddam and then destroyed him? Or many other Arab nationalists dictators in the past?

That being said, when the US is an 'ally' or you're their vassal, at least during the alliance or vassalage, they do what they say they will. The Russians stab you in the back, that's different. They used Iran as a bargaining chip for years during Putin. Even know that Nato is raping them in Ukraine (they lost countless soldiers there), they won't even sell some missiles or manpads or whatever.

 

[ShapurII]

Yes and that same US is bombing Iran. Cute huh?

Well, I guess when you spend 47 years chanting "Death to America" and you take their embassy personnel hostage without any justification whatsoever, you cannot really say they turned against you for no reason, right?

But yeah, even my dad says Russia is the most unreliable pos country in the world, even though he supports them against Nato. Russia has fucked Iran since more than 200 years ago. But times change, interests change and I do think Russia wants Iran to survive and even thrive. Russia is getting it's soft underbelly pushed in too now by Nato in the caucasus. They are put in such a bad trap in Ukraine that they're losing so many of their best men for a few square kilometers per day it's sad. Iran might have taken serious blows by the globalists, but the death toll is nowhere near what they are putting russia through.

That being said Putin is very unreliable in the sense that he will only do what's best for Russia and also have a very long term view. Angering America by selling some s400s and su-35s that wouldn't even make a real difference in a full onslaught, except down a few more jets, isn't worth it according to him and probably he's right.

Hell, the only way to survive these strikes by the US is to have a yuuuuge country and toooons of missiles. Even Turkey's air foce would have been destroyed within days of the US attack with all their stand off missiles. Any air force would. No country except Russia, China and India (maybe Pakistan but that's another story) could survive and fight back against such waves of strikes and standoff weapons.

Russia is Zionist to the core. Half of Russian billionaires are Jewish. The country has been heavily infiltrated with Zionism since the October revolution.

When asked about Iran and Israeli attacks on Iran last year, Putin said that he would never do something that would harm Israel and Israel is an almost Russian-speaking country. He isn't wrong though, most of the worst shits in Israel are from Soviet countries. Slavic Zionists are by far the worst ones.

 

[the saint]

 

[Falcon29]

Iranian leadership appear genuinely surprised despite explicit statements by US officials that they'd attack tonight

 

[Shags101]

I think he’s having more imaginary conversations

 

[Watandar]

It wasn’t a friendship. They used us and when they no longer had any need for us, they went to the Saudis and ditched us. All because the shah grew balls and stood up to the Europeans.

Anyways, we are where we are now and there’s no reason to look back.

Yeah its OT but reading Vali Nasr's book "Iran's Grand Strategy" , he does go into the background and in the 1970's the US was selling Iran all those weapons and building up its armed forces because the Shah was interested in being the regional proxy of America. The Shah was more worried about the Soviets than he was the Americans. It's why Iran got involved in putting down an insurgency in Oman in the 1970s.

When those plans were flipped upside down in 1979 the US went looking elsewhere for proxies and turned to Iraq and the backwater states of what is now GCC. Proxies are always America's number 1 preference.

 

[mangekyo]

Indeed. Empires use countries like used condoms. Do we need to rehash who put in Saddam and then destroyed him? Or many other Arab nationalists dictators in the past?

That being said, when the US is an 'ally' or you're their vassal, at least during the alliance or vassalage, they do what they say they will. The Russians stab you in the back, that's different. They used Iran as a bargaining chip for years during Putin. Even know that Nato is raping them in Ukraine (they lost countless soldiers there), they won't even sell some missiles or manpads or whatever.

Exactly. Even if the revolution hadn’t happened. The US would have demanded more and more from us. Then they would have eventually done exactly what they are doing to us now.