Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BananaRepublic]

I think this deal is bad for Iran but if Iran gets $24 billion as said by multiple sources, then it's definitely better than nothing. $24 billion will prevent Iran's economy from collapsing this year.

I don't think the $300 billion reconstruction plan will ever materialize. Too good to be true.

The only problem is that I cannot imagine any scenario where Iran-US wars would end before Trump leaves the office. And Iran most likely will not be able to survive a naval blockade and repeated cycles of air strikes for 3 years. We need to come up with a better plan for next times.

Iran is getting paid to prevent the US (and western) economy collapsing under Trump.

They will still collapse due to the humongous debt they are carrying combined with a rapidly ageing population.

24 billion ensures it doesn’t happen on Trump’s watch.

It’s a good deal for Iran because it is not surrendering anything that it has control/possession off.

Strategically Iran is better off than it was during Obama’s term.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran is getting paid to prevent the US (and western) economy collapsing under Trump.

They will still collapse due to the humongous debt they are carrying combined with a rapidly ageing population.

24 billion ensures it doesn’t happen under Trump’s watch.

It’s a good deal for Iran because it is not surrendering anything that it has control/possession off.

The US economy is different from the rest of the world. It will never collapse as long as there is a united Western bloc and abundant Arab oil/gas.

It will not collapse any time soon, but when it does, it will take down the entire Western bloc and all of their allies with it.

 

[Meengla]

I think this deal is bad for Iran but if Iran gets $24 billion as said by multiple sources, then it's definitely better than nothing. $24 billion will prevent Iran's economy from collapsing this year.
I don't think the $300 billion reconstruction plan will ever materialize. Too good to be true.
The only problem is that I cannot imagine any scenario where Iran-US wars would end before Trump leaves the office. And Iran most likely will not be able to survive a naval blockade and repeated cycles of air strikes for 3 years. We need to come up with a better plan for next times.

To be carefully watched is if/when the American naval forces withdraw. If they do, then I don't think they are ever coming to attack Iran. This was/is a one-time chance for Netanyahu and so far it seems to have failed spectacularly.
You can bookmark this post: If today Trump dies off a heart attack, the POTUS Vance will wrap it up in no time. The personal War of Choice made by Trump and Netanyahu is, after all, a personal war. So much so for 'democracies'.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Ah now everyone finally sees it.

Oh I've been seeing it. I challenge anyone here to demonstrate where I've not.

The issue we have, especially in the other thread, is that very small minority who doesn't and refuses to open their eyes.

I was out running errands today. The price of #2 diesel in this area has not budged.

 

[BHAN85]

Araqchi: The Strait of Hormuz Administration Will Not Return to Before the War

Foreign Minister:
The Strait of Hormuz is undoubtedly under the sovereignty of Iran and Oman. There is no international waterway in the Strait of Hormuz.

For many years, this waterway was open to all ships. Iran and Oman ensured its security and provided services; until now, all services were free.

But the future of the Strait of Hormuz Administration will not be like the past. No one can undermine the sovereignty of Iran and Oman over the Strait of Hormuz.

The Strait of Hormuz Administration will not be like the past (before the war).

We had very good consultations with Oman in this regard and reached good results.

We will probably have a specific statement and plan with Oman regarding the Strait of Hormuz soon.

Hormuz toll booth is here to stay

 

[ShapurII]

To be carefully watched is if/when the American naval forces withdraw. If they do, then I don't think they are ever coming to attack Iran. This was/is a one-time chance for Netanyahu and so far it seems to have failed spectacularly.
You can bookmark this post: If today Trump dies off a heart attack, the POTUS Vance will wrap it up in no time. The personal War of Choice made by Trump and Netanyahu is, after all, a personal war. So much so for 'democracies'.

I don't think Trump is the only problem in the US. The republican party is full of war hawks and fascists. I would personally take Trump over psychopaths like Mike Pompeo any day.

If Trump shows that his way of dealing with Iran works, expect the next US administrations to do the same and pound Iran at will. As an evidence for this, I remind you that even after Biden took the office, the US never returned to its obligations in the JCPOA because Trump had already proved that you could violate a deal with Iran and get away with it.

Trump will eventually leave the office, but his legacy will stay in the US politics for a long time. The only way to prevent Iran from becoming a US punchbag in the future is to prove that Trump's policies are very costly for the Americans.

 

[VCheng]

Has the US ever done something good for the world since its creation?

How about the internet and this forum that its members are using, for starters, including you?

Military action should be taken against them without casus belli

Why wait? There is war on right now. Please go right ahead!

Iran has shown balls the size of watermelons.

That could explain the difficulty in walking, let alone running. Not easy.

Unfortunately the only way to end this is to make American people experience what is being at war, with their homes bombed, monuments burning and loved ones dying of collateral damage

Hey, war is war. Please go ahead and do this as best as anyone wishes to do. I'll wait.

Iran's duty is to protect children not only in Iran but also across the world

What a noble idea. How about starting next door to your east with the bacha bazi in Afghanistan. Then you can go global, step by step.

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In other news, just like water continues to be wet, economic warfare remains very potent. The bedrock of these negotiations was the building pressures due to US sanctions, and the relief made possible by:

• Two sources say at least $10 billion to be unlocked under deal
• First $3 billion tranche already sent, sources say
• Deal includes revived economic ties, source says

Not bad for a dead currency.

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Pakistan's role in all of this has indeed been laudable. I hope the deal gets done finally, although I would preferred it to be done in Islamabad, not anywhere else.

Not bad for a country that was supposed to break up and go bankrupt after one egomaniacal puppet was removed. Obviously, Pakistan remains bigger than any one person.

Well done!

 

[BananaRepublic]

The US economy is different from the rest of the world. It will never collapse as long as there is a united Western bloc and abundant Arab oil/gas.

It will not collapse any time soon, but when it does, it will take down the entire Western bloc and all of their allies with it.

It will collapse because US’ traditional client states are no longer buying its debt.

The damage Iran has done to US’ Arab poodles ensures they are even less able to prop up US’ economy.

US is massively reliant on its poodles for:

1. Buying debt
2. Recycling money into its ponzi stock market
3. Buying useless weapons at extortionate prices

Thanks to the damage Iran has done - there’ll be a lot less of that.

On top of that countries like Japan and Canada are no longer actively propping up US debt.

And the U.K. is nearly bankrupt.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Hormuz toll booth is here to stay

I wonder how exactly that is going to work when the shipping channels are predominately in Omani waters.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran has shown balls the size of watermelons.

That sounds like hydrocele to me.

 

[BHAN85]

I wonder how exactly that is going to work when the shipping channels are predominately in Omani waters.

The working mode is pay or get a shahed visit

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

The working mode is pay or get a shahed visit

Excellent idea. Hit a ship that is in Omani waters.

 

[BHAN85]

I pray this comes to pass. Iran has shown balls the size of watermelons. Pakistan has played an honourable role for peace. Let us see now what happens. The region has changed forever.

Balls bigger than Kremlin.

Iran with the nuclear arsenal of coward Kremlin would rule the world.

 

[BHAN85]

Excellent idea. Hit a ship that is in Omani waters.

haven't they done yet?

 

[ShapurII]

It will collapse because US’ traditional client states are no longer buying its debt.

The damage Iran has done to US’ Arab poodles ensures they are even less able to prop up US’ economy.

US is massively reliant on its poodles for:

1. Buying debt
2. Recycling money into its ponzi stock market
3. Buying useless weapons at extortionate prices

Thanks to the damage Iran has done - there’ll be a lot less of that.

On top of that countries like Japan and Canada are no longer actively propping up US debt.

And the U.K. is nearly bankrupt.

There is no indication that the US client states are no longer buying its debt. The whole Western bloc and all of the US allies rely on US financial institutions for even basic banking operations. Even the US enemies rely on the US financial institutions.

The US controls the IMF, the World Bank, the SWIFT, only to name a few. There is no inter-banking system that can replace the US funded institutions like the SWIFT. Both China and Russia have been trying to do that in the last 3-4 years with almost no success.

Trust me, the Arabs will continue to prop up the US economy. Arabs financed most of this US war on Iran and will continue to do so in the future. Arab Sheikhs are corrupt to the core and most of these Arab states exist in their present forms because the US is keeping their current rulers in power.

Canada is waiting out Trump. As for Japan, I have never seen a country more obedient and submissive towards the US.