Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[niubi]

You guys are missing the forest for the trees (peace deal specifics).

Iran has forced the US into a peace deal that is somewhat agreeable to entirely an improvement from previous position for Iran.

The US thought it could do as it pleases and "destroy all of Iran", "wipe out a civilisation" all the fantastical bluster and nonsense just to capitulate to Iran after finding out they are completely powerless to achieve any military superiority over Iran.

Yes this is mostly because Iran has Israel by the balls and Israel has America by the balls so it would be like if South Korea and Japan controlled US politics and economy and North Korea could simply threaten to annihilate South Korea and Japan to defeat the US. But I digress, Iran wins with any peace deal because America failed to perform all that it promised about using some B-2s to level all of Iran (impossible) and all that nonsense westoids and their ganges blowhards always talk about.

In reality, piss weak. Paper tiger USA.

Good job Iran showing the world for the last year just how much of a paper tiger the USA is.

 

[BananaRepublic]

That 60% HEU is the only reason that the US hasn't carpet bombed our cities and infrastructure yet.

No, it’s not.

I can guarantee Trump would have nuked Iran if Iran ever tried to turn the HEU into a bomb.

The HEU is not the leverage.

The SoH is your nuke.

SoH is why Trump is bending.

 

[ShapurII]

it's our own money. and they won't let us access it unless we dilute the HEU. and even then, they will restrict how we use it to humanitarian goods.

but yes, we need to extract as much as possible as quickly as possible to prepare for the next round.

Yes, it's our money but we cannot access it and we're cash short. Also, as far as I have read in the Iranian media, half of this money will be transferred to Iran before signing the deal, no? Even $12 billion is a lot of money.

Besides that, our storage tankers are almost full. If the US lifts the blockade on our oil exports, we will be able to empty our storage tankers before we have to shut down our oil wells.

Also, diluting the HEU is not one of our commitments in this deal. It's part of the broader agreement that is supposed to be discussed in this 60 day period.

 

[HAIDER]

No, it’s not.

I can guarantee Trump would have nuked Iran if Iran ever tried to turn the HEU into a bomb.

The HEU is not the leverage.

The SoH is your nuke.

SoH is why Trump is bending.

Nuke is nothing in this era, Russia has more then 6000 nukes, but still fighting war in Ukraine, who is getting everyone backup.
But nuclear tipped tank shells by US during Iraq invasion, which lead to mentally unstable babies birth, detail in UN reports.

 

[VCheng]

If Iran gives up its 60% HEU and enrichment capability, and opens the strait, this is a total strategic failure for Iran. it seems Qalibaf and Araghchi are desperate to give America in diplomacy everything they couldn't achieve during war.

Firstly, any such arrangements are not known, and probably not finalized as of yet, so speculation is meaningless for now.

Secondly, all wars end at the negotiating table. It is just a matter of who gets to a stronger negotiating position.

 

[ShapurII]

Nope US has not done that coz then Iran will take out critical energy and water desalination infrastructure of US minions and SOH will still not be safe for passage.

I don't think the US cares about Arabs as much as you think. Destroying Arab countries is even good for the US and Israel as it cements the dominant status of Israel in the region even further and it forces the Arabs to spend money on reconstruction, which will most likely be done through American contractors.

I don't think so. They don't carpet bomb cuz Iran can actually retaliate, with fair precision.

If it was any other 'muzlim' country.........then you are right on da maany.

But we cannot target the US mainland to inflict heavy damage and we haven't been able to kill American soldiers with our missiles.

No, it’s not.

I can guarantee Trump would have nuked Iran if Iran ever tried to turn the HEU into a bomb.

The HEU is not the leverage.

The SoH is your nuke.

SoH is why Trump is bending.

The Strait of Hormuz has failed to achieve its main objective: Raise oil prices to unbearable for the world economy.

As I said, during the US-Iraq war in 2003, oil prices even surged to $120. Adjusted for inflation, that is about $217.19 in today's prices. The Strait of Hormuz worked initially, and it may work in future if Iran completely shuts down the strait, but it isn't even remotely similar to a nuke. And Trump is not bending.

If Iran wants to use the SoH as a nuke, oil prices should surpass $200 per barrel or it won't work.

 

[HAIDER]

Firstly, any such arrangements are not known, and probably not finalized as of yet, so speculation is meaningless for now.

Secondly, all wars end at the negotiating table. It is just a matter of who gets to a stronger negotiating position.

Its old saying of Chairman Mao .........with the weapon you can fight the war but you can't win the war.

 

[ShapurII]

Nuke is nothing in this era, Russia has more then 6000 nukes, but still fighting war in Ukraine, who is getting everyone backup.
But nuclear tipped weapon used by US during Iraq invasion, which lead to mentally unstable babies born, detail in UN reports.

The US used depleted uranium ammunition in Iraq, not nukes.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Nuke is nothing in this era, Russia has more then 6000 nukes, but still fighting war in Ukraine, who is getting everyone backup.
But nuclear tipped weapon used by US during Iraq invasion, which lead to mentally unstable babies born, detail in UN reports.

Pisrael has 200 of them and still got slapped down.

 

[VCheng]

Its old saying of Chairman Mao .........with the weapon you can fight the war but you can't win the war.

As far as I am concerned, war is merely geopolitics by other means. This war, regardless of the weaponry used, is merely further proof of that age old fact.

 

[mangekyo]

If Iran gives up its 60% HEU and enrichment capability, and opens the strait, this is a total strategic failure for Iran

Didn’t the new SL forbid it, or was that fake news?

 

[ShapurII]

Didn’t the new SL forbid it, or was that fake news?

When has Iran done what the "SL" has said in recent years?

 

[Lulldapull]

I don't think the US cares about Arabs as much as you think. Destroying Arab countries is even good for the US and Israel as it cements the dominant status of Israel in the region even further and it forces the Arabs to spend money on reconstruction, which will most likely be done through American contractors.


But we cannot target the US mainland to inflict heavy damage and we haven't been able to kill American soldiers with our missiles.


The Strait of Hormuz has failed to achieve its main objective: Raise oil prices to unbearable for the world economy.

As I said, during the US-Iraq war in 2003, oil prices even surged to $120. Adjusted for inflation, that is about $217.19 in today's prices. The Strait of Hormuz worked initially, and it may work in future if Iran completely shuts down the strait, but it isn't even remotely similar to a nuke. And Trump is not bending.

If Iran wants to use the SoH as a nuke, oil prices should surpass $200 per barrel or it won't work.

It doesn't even matter if Irans been able to kill a lot of Americans. They fuckkin fled their posts when Iranian drones/ missiles swarmed their bases. They just knew they stood no chance.

So they put the poor third world people/ mercenaries to man the battle stations n fuckked off no?

Now we see that it was a bad move by the US.

Their bases are rubble.

 

[mangekyo]

You guys are missing the forest for the trees (peace deal specifics).

Iran has forced the US into a peace deal that is somewhat agreeable to entirely an improvement from previous position for Iran.

The US thought it could do as it pleases and "destroy all of Iran", "wipe out a civilisation" all the fantastical bluster and nonsense just to capitulate to Iran after finding out they are completely powerless to achieve any military superiority over Iran.

Yes this is mostly because Iran has Israel by the balls and Israel has America by the balls so it would be like if South Korea and Japan controlled US politics and economy and North Korea could simply threaten to annihilate South Korea and Japan to defeat the US. But I digress, Iran wins with any peace deal because America failed to perform all that it promised about using some B-2s to level all of Iran (impossible) and all that nonsense westoids and their ganges blowhards always talk about.

In reality, piss weak. Paper tiger USA.

Good job Iran showing the world for the last year just how much of a paper tiger the USA is.

I just want to object to something that pisses me off. People see Iran’s performance and immediately yell US is a paper tiger. But US would have obliterated most countries on earth without them even being able to launch a thing. US is not a paper tiger. Iran is a lion.

 

[HAIDER]

Pisrael has 200 of them and still got slapped down.

Well, the concept of dirty bomb still exist , possible make with 60 percent graded Uranium. When they have delivery system.