Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

Iran has made concessions. USA has made concessions.

Can anyone tell me exactly what Israel has conceded in this deal?

Israel has conceded its claims to any moral standing, especially in USA, at least for now. And they will work hard to regain it, so everyone else must remain on their guard.

 

[maverick]

Iran is emerging as a regional power.
1. Regime change did not happen,
2. iranian central bank is still not integrated with global banking system.
3. Iranian sanctions will be removed.
4. Iranian ballistic missile and nuclear program will be in place.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Iran is emerging as a regional power.
1. Regime change did not happen,
2. iranian central bank is still not integrated with global banking system.
3. Iranian sanctions will be removed.
4. Iranian ballistic missile and nuclear program will be in place.

Though Iranian banking system not being part of a global banking system isn't a negative thing for Iran? @Persian Gulf @Kyussis

 

[Master Chief]

Israel has conceded its claims to any moral standing, especially in USA, at least for now. And they will work hard to regain it, so everyone else must remain on their guard.

True, but as far as concessions go, anyone's perception of Israeli morality will not influence Israeli behaviour. Contrarily, Iranian and American behaviour will be modified by the concessions they have both made.

I would go further and argue that Israeli behaviour can only be modified by the actions of Israel's "partners".

 

[VCheng]

I would go further and argue that Israeli behaviour can only be modified by the actions of Israel's "partners".

Agreed. And those "partners" would be more inclined to do that if certain Iranian policies were to be amended (as I have mentioned many times). Everything is connected in a bilateral way in this situation.

 

[Master Chief]

Agreed. And those "partners" would be more inclined to do that if certain Iranian policies were to be amended (as I have mentioned many times). Everything is connected in a bilateral way in this situation.

And yet, those same "partners" willingly modified their own behaviour, despite the Iranian policies in question existing consistently.

I put it to you therefore, if the partners are willing to modify their behaviour in this context, why shouldn't they enforce modification of Israeli behaviour in precisely the same context?

 

[BananaRepublic]

I doubt the monarchies will popular governments but will have to concede things to the public to maintain their support/participation in building up industries to give the monarchies a strong diversified economy, which would be a foundation in the world that is being shaped.

Western style “democracies” is going through a crisis.

Mainly because western style democracies are a con job.

Which has been masked till now because of the way the west was able to manipulate the global order.

Everyone has a vote but the system ensures representation is not equal and people’s wishes are diluted by the structure of government.

USA being the worst example. Where the combination of the way congress is elected and the power of SCOTUS - MAKES A MOCKERY OF DEMOCRACY.

In Europe, the representation is fairer but people are electing fascists into power. Which is not supposed to be possible under “democracy”.

Today, your poster child democracies has a fascist as leader: USA, India, Italy, Israel

Whilst your monarchy or undemocratic country is led by sober individuals with restraint. E.g. China, Iran, Pakistan, Cuba. Hell! Even North Korea!!!

 

[VCheng]

And yet, those same "partners" willingly modified their own behaviour, despite the Iranian policies in question existing consistently.

That is only an assumption at this point, kind Sir. We still need to know the details of the MoU and, more importantly, the final agreement in 60 days or so.

why shouldn't they enforce modification of Israeli behaviour in precisely the same context?

Expecting such enforcement that would favor those who wish for your death is a bit premature for now, Sir.

 

[Meengla]

Today, your poster child democracies has a fascist as leader: USA, India, Italy, Israel
Whilst your monarchy or undemocratic country is led by sober individuals with restraint. E.g. China, Iran, Pakistan, Cuba. Hell! Even North Korea!!!

Ain't that some truth in that!! Speaking of North Korea, in a western channel, it was reported that NK is starting to see a semblance of good life. Yes, even NK! Stability itself is a 'democracy' in some cases!

 

[Cash gk]

Buy some Iranian currency guys and hold for sometime.. It will be good. Crypto kind of thing

 

[Starlord]

For America they have to be vigilant of Israel's actions in the region for possible Sabotage, some people just can't help it when they are motivated by End time prophecies and waiting for some Messiah to come make them King and everyone else their slaves, its a promise too good to be ignored even if it means slaughtering 20-30k innocent children.

I like that Iran has mentioned Lebanon in every press release and they haven't abandoned Lebanon, and I hope that Iran will not compromise on Lebanon's lost territory either, Hezbullah new found tactics with Drones if used more effectively can panic Israel's, they have a lot of bombs and Air superiority but what they don't have is manpower to spare, if this war is over we will see more suicides in IDF due to PTSD.

Pakistan, i really hope that we fix our internal issues, and we manage to finish the Iran-Pakistan Gas pipeline which will help a lot, I don't Trust Indian filth one bit but they could've benefitted a lot with the continuation of same pipeline into Iran and even branch off into Afghanistan-Central Asia, but unfortunately we are dealing with Galeez nation on 2 fronts Afghans/Indians who will not let the region thrive and have peace.

Pakistan needs to sit and have serious talks with KSA/Qatar about the security Agreement, you want 2 sq's and 80k troops with proper AD and logistics you gotta pay up, we have our own internal/external conflicts to take, so we can't spare the money which we don't even have for KSA/Qatar protection from Israel. I hope Qatar announce a similar deal soon, and start funneling some money into Pakistani defense forces, given the new Rocket Command we can put some serious fire power on the door steps of Israel, I wish to be wrong but Turkey is basically useless, i thought highly of them but they turn out that their old leader and some minister will issue cringy statements against Israel while doing business with them providing them with oil and money.

As for Iran, I think if the peace holds, needless to say they will be building more missile cities, mass producing drones, and even lots of stuff from US they shoot down and those which remain in somewhat decent condition will be studied and re-engineered into Iranian versions. I hope that Iran focus on its Air force, with some good BVR capability, and long range low flying munitions for any further Israel's aggression.

I hope Gaza rebuilding process can resume and hasten, so in Lebanon. I knows its a fool's dream but Israel can become the catalyst of peace if they recognize a unarmed Palestinian state who's security is guaranteed by Peace keeping forces, and with Palestinians who are supported by Arabs/Iran and Israel who is darling of west, both nations can co-exists and finally ends to much of the mess within the region, as for power struggle between Shia/Sunni blocks will remain, civil wars will still happen in ME, but at least that one hot point of many wars/conflicts can finally be put to rest only if Israel accept peace, which like i said is unlikely.

 

[lightning f57]

Just let this sink in, US signed an MOU to close the war on equal terms with Iran.

Things have changed the whole region knows it.

Pak has a diversified foreign policy but it needs to make more economic benefit with Iran its neighbour with 80+m people. The gas pipeline and pushing Gwadar is essential, will help to reduce reliance on gulfies too.

 

[VCheng]

Just let this sink in, US signed an MOU to close the war on equal terms with Iran.

Just let this sink in: the terms are not known yet.

 

[newb3e]

Just let this sink in: the terms are not known yet.

do you simp for every tyrant? do oppressor make you excited!

 

[Meengla]

I knows its a fool's dream but Israel can become the catalyst of peace if they recognize a unarmed Palestinian state who's security is guaranteed by Peace keeping forces, and with Palestinians who are supported by Arabs/Iran and Israel who is darling of west, both nations can co-exists and finally ends to much of the mess within the region,

It is not a popular opinion in this forum to say that Israel can be a good presence in the region due to its knowledge based economy and technical knowhow but for that they will have to become a normal state, grant the Palestinians their rights, respect the Holy Places to be internationally managed.