Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

12 point MOU deal leaked by Israel:

— Iran, the US and their allies will cease hostilities, including in Lebanon

— Iran reiterates its commitment not to develop or acquire nuclear weapons

— US and Iran pledge to resolve issue of disposal of enriched uranium stockpile

— US and Iran to discuss enrichment issue and Iran's nuclear needs

— Iran will maintain status quo on its nuclear program as long as negotiations continue

— The US will lift the naval blockade, not impose new sanctions, and will not increase forces in the region during the negotiations.

— Iran will make the necessary arrangements to ensure safe passage of commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz, free of charge, for 60 days.

— US pledges to make frozen Iranian assets available for use with implementation of MoU

— If a final agreement is reached, the US will withdraw its forces within 30 days and lift all sanctions on Iran.

— Any final agreement will include a plan to establish a $300 billion fund for Iran's reconstruction.

— US to give Iran temporary sanctions waivers to sell oil during negotiations

— Negotiations will be held between Iran and Oman with the participation of Persian Gulf policy to define "arrangements regarding shipping and maritime services"

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It is reasonable. @ShapurII

 

[Xerxes22]

I would like to thank from the bottom of my heart the role of the Pakistani Leadership. I am proud of what they have done to help us get this through. Whatever praise is given would be short. Thank you guys

 

[PakAl]

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[unconventional]

The US carried out over 13,000 airstrikes on Iran in less than 2 months.

They bombed the country as if it was some failed state incapable of defending against the US, and you're moaning about what Trump said or didn't say?


Beat the shit of Iran?

US strikes on Iran: 13,000
Iranian strikes on US: 0

I was almost convinced Iran had nukes or maybe even ICBMs. All bluffs.

One thing I have learnt from this conflict is that the North Koreans have proven themselves to be a lot more smarter than the Iranians.

Both countries are under sanctions and both were declared Axis of Evil in January 2002.


28/10/2005: Security Council condemns Iranian president's remarks on Israel: UN News

24/09/2012: In New York, defiant Ahmadinejad says Israel will be "eliminated": Reuters



If you're going to moan and whine, then don't go around making tall claims.

So if the US was winning and completely destroying Iran, why were they pushing for the ceasefire?

 

[PakAl]

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[tsunset]

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Any chance the US bombs Israel?

 

[Yasser76]

Happy for Iran, if Iranian people are free to prosper it will benefit Pakistan. I also hope that Iran remembers what Pakistan did, not just mediation, but refusal to obey orders of US, UAE etc.

Beautiful times ahead for Iranian people and they deserve it

 

[Goenitz]

Till next time.......When I throw you under the bus once again.

I genuinely believe that Qatar is the main architect of the deal, as it was in the 2015 deal. The draft is a little updated.
Though Pak didn't break a deal, it helped establish the first ceasefire and act as a messenger. Still, not a small feat.

 

[SilentWatch]

12 point MOU deal leaked by Israel:

— Iran, the US and their allies will cease hostilities, including in Lebanon

— Iran reiterates its commitment not to develop or acquire nuclear weapons

— US and Iran pledge to resolve issue of disposal of enriched uranium stockpile

— US and Iran to discuss enrichment issue and Iran's nuclear needs

— Iran will maintain status quo on its nuclear program as long as negotiations continue

— The US will lift the naval blockade, not impose new sanctions, and will not increase forces in the region during the negotiations.

— Iran will make the necessary arrangements to ensure safe passage of commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz, free of charge, for 60 days.

— US pledges to make frozen Iranian assets available for use with implementation of MoU

— If a final agreement is reached, the US will withdraw its forces within 30 days and lift all sanctions on Iran.

— Any final agreement will include a plan to establish a $300 billion fund for Iran's reconstruction.

— US to give Iran temporary sanctions waivers to sell oil during negotiations

— Negotiations will be held between Iran and Oman with the participation of Persian Gulf policy to define "arrangements regarding shipping and maritime services"

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It is reasonable. @ShapurII

Quite a Sensible

Gives Islamabad as a venue for 60 days to craft a lasting "Islamabad accords 2026" for own tourism boost and show confidence in the country but we lost to Swiss the Global neutral venue So it is appropriate for this Step 1 ceasefire.

My thing is how Top-boss + Shahbaz combo Cashes in this for national FDI and investments.

if nothing else can we replace US boots on ground for KSA and Gulf protection against fee $$$ - Leverage Muslim NATO to build our military on sustainable scale with Transparent Gov budget. Helps us on quantity scale vs Eastern front.

 

[Yasser76]

I genuinely believe that Qatar is the main architect of the deal, as it was in the 2015 deal. The draft is a little updated.
Though Pak didn't break a deal, it helped establish the first ceasefire and act as a messenger. Still, not a small feat.

Pak did a lot behind the scenes, a lot, as did Qatar. Both now well established as brokers and mediators.

Emir of Qatar calling out Pakistan at the G7 with Trump was a nice touch. A major benefit of this will see Pakistan and Qatari Military and strategic coperation grow

 

[Aziqbal]

Pinpoint accuracy by Iran

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[delta2]

Why does “mighty USA” keep losing wars then?

Another US Cowboy who thinks wars are won by death and destruction lol

As I said few days ago, if that was the criteria, Mongols would rule the world instead of embracing Islam.

The USA and America are two distinct entities, almost entirely different in a way at times. The average American loses out but the USA never loses from these wars. The ruling class makes $100s and $100s of billions of dollars from these conflicts and wars.

This is a tricky subject and a simple glance at it is not enough.

A little bit of reading at counterpunch.org can shed some light on this. It is a far-left leaning magazine but it does identify the USA ruling class's thinking in a very clear way.

 

[Yasser76]

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My God they are worse then Zionists, they really think people give a shit about them or their feelings?

 

[delta2]

Putin will not nuke Ukraine, Trump won’t nuke Iran. That’s not because they don’t want to. That’s because at least 10 non-nuclear countries will acquire nuclear weapons tomorrow. Having nukes for industrial countries is not difficult. It’s much easier than making cars.

And you should understand their motives. In the case of Ukraine it makes no sense for Putin to nuke Ukraine. He wants to steal lands and resources what he gets from nuclear ashes?
Trump has different motives towards Iran.

I posted on this forum already showing that Putin would never nuke Ukraine. Putin is a zionist puppet and his role is to grind Russia to a waste slowly. He also wears a reddish string in his wrist which was "blessed" by a Chabad-Lubavitch rabbi. The next guy after Putin will most likely be an ultra nationalist Russian and will drop a nuke on Kyev, but not the rest of Ukraine. The zionists have already purchased very large portions of those lands in Ukraine and Putin will never harm his master's interests.

Building a nuclear reactor is very easy in theory, not so in real life. Just the process of boiling sulfuric acid can get out of control and cause deadly disasters if not done right.