Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SolarWarden]

2 of the 8 US pilots killed in the B-52 crash were involved in bombing Iran

Confirmed? Where in that post does it "confirm" that 2 pilots on board were involved in bombing Iran?

 

[Master Chief]

12 point MOU deal leaked by Israel:

— Iran, the US and their allies will cease hostilities, including in Lebanon

— Iran reiterates its commitment not to develop or acquire nuclear weapons

— US and Iran pledge to resolve issue of disposal of enriched uranium stockpile

— US and Iran to discuss enrichment issue and Iran's nuclear needs

— Iran will maintain status quo on its nuclear program as long as negotiations continue

— The US will lift the naval blockade, not impose new sanctions, and will not increase forces in the region during the negotiations.

— Iran will make the necessary arrangements to ensure safe passage of commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz, free of charge, for 60 days.

— US pledges to make frozen Iranian assets available for use with implementation of MoU

— If a final agreement is reached, the US will withdraw its forces within 30 days and lift all sanctions on Iran.

— Any final agreement will include a plan to establish a $300 billion fund for Iran's reconstruction.

— US to give Iran temporary sanctions waivers to sell oil during negotiations

— Negotiations will be held between Iran and Oman with the participation of Persian Gulf policy to define "arrangements regarding shipping and maritime services"

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It is reasonable. @ShapurII

Well, I'm rather surprised. I thought Iran had thrown its initiative away over that last two weeks of conflict. I was wrong.

If true, this can be interpreted as a major win for Iran financially, with Hormuz transit fees apparently on the table as well as possible lifting of sanctions. The loss for Iran would be curtailment of nuclear ambition and no CLEAR DEMAND FOR IDF WITHDRAWAL in Lebanon, just "cessation" of firing. Iran may have gambled that Hezbollah can genuinely bleed IDF in Lebanon by itself.

For USA, they are set to be in a WORSE position than before the war, when Hormuz transit was free. USA doesn't benefit ONE SINGLE ATOM from Tehran's nuclear curtailment. The ONLY nation that benefits from that is Israel.

American chest beaters - and they know who they are - now need to explain how USA is in a stronger position in the Gulf region than before the war. You fought this war for Israel and Israel has benefited - is that really something your sons in uniform should be proud of?

 

[TAC]

Just look at one aspect: What Iran does ensures the inclination of everyone around it to rush into the US camp. Cha-ching! Thank you Iran.

Really? I don’t see all the GCC nations falling over themselves to get into the US camp after this debacle. Those US bases they had proved to be a liability not an asset. Cha-cing! Thank you for electing the Orange idiot who exposed the US for what it is.

 

[Goenitz]

Pak did a lot behind the scenes, a lot, as did Qatar. Both now well established as brokers and mediators.

Emir of Qatar calling out Pakistan at the G7 with Trump was a nice touch. A major benefit of this will see Pakistan and Qatari Military and strategic coperation grow

Yes.. but that 'a lot' doesn't contain negotiation and formatting a deal. I am not sure how it happened, but we should be content with the first ceasefire.
We shouldn't be selfish and mustn't claim ownership of something which we didn't (negotiation, etc.). It is also better to give credit where it is due, to maintain relationships with Gulf states.

 

[delta2]

Yet, the US never directly attacked China. Again, goes to show that China had the means, be it political, military, or economic.

However, my argument for Iran is for before and after this fight. Iran, like every other country, has to fight once it has begun. But when it ends, I hope they can see what they need to do and get on with it so that this cannot be repeated again. IMO, their leadership realized this years before, hence the agreement with Obama.



Yes but only if we see the past two years in isolation. Iran's military and political posture built over the previous decades, however righteous or justified it may be, ensured that it would be targeted. Tell me you didn't see it coming? It should not happen again.



Yet Iranians and Pakistanis flock to these dictatorships and Pakistan stands as an accepted nuclear power without sanctions. What has Iran gained?



3 million Chinese soldiers served in Korea and 320,000 in Vietnam. The History of the People's Republic of China, 1949-1976



Have you ever known any world power ever to be any different? Throwing off the American yoke? Pray do tell how and to what end, except in childish fantasies?



As opposed to lose everything along with any chance to ever not have to? Fairly simple equation.



Must be horrible that the Iranians, the Pakistanis, the Indians, and everyone else trots their way over there in droves. Had the Arabs had any shame or charecter their situation would have been much better.



As I've explained repeatedly before, that is a childish understanding of global interests, power, and my argument. Feigning ignorance and repeating the same obtuse argument will not gain you anything. Also, half of that list is incorrect. Regardless, how many wars in Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Tanzania, Indonesia, Mongolia, Malaysia, Tajikistan, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain?


There's a clear disparity in knowledge, willful ignorance, loyalties, emotions, priorities, and biases between the two of us. I don't believe I can waste more time on this with you.

In regards to the Korean War, the USA never expected China to enter the war. The Chinese had warned them multiple times but they thought of it as just hot air. The moment they started to came close towards the Yalu River, China entered the war and pushed them all the way back to the current North-South border. China was losing men at a high rate but they successfully pushed the entire allied forces back. They would have taken Seoul too but then the ceasefire happened.

 

[ShapurII]

Let's see who is right at this point.
Irán It is the only natural place to sell Su35. No more countries will dare to buy advanced Russian fighters with CAATSA sanctions.

And yet Russia hasn't delivered a single fighter jet, even when they had 24 Sukhoi-35s ready to be delivered.

I told just once. That points that Al Golani facilitates resupplying Hizbollah.

That's a weird idea. Trump just recently said that he asked Israel to let Syria take care of Hezbollah and you think Syria will supply Hezbollah?

Why don't you ask Netanyahu to resupply Hezbollah? Let's send our weapons to Tel Aviv and then resupply Hezbollah, or even better, purchase Israeli weapons for Hezbollah and ask Israel to deliver them lmao

The whole purpose of overthrowing Assad in Syria with the help of Turkey and Russia was to cut our supply lines to Hezbollah and the so-called Axis of Resistance. I like your optimism though.

 

[delta2]

Came to my head!!!
The British Empire dies in Suez.
The American empire dies in HORMUZ.

The Germans had killed the British Empire in WW2 already, but its burial definitely took place in the Suez lol.

 

[Goenitz]

Really? I don’t see all the GCC nations falling over themselves to get into the US camp after this debacle. Those US bases they had proved to be a liability not an asset. Cha-cing! Thank you for electing the Orange idiot who exposed the US for what it is.

SA realised that after Sulemani's killing. Iran did attack, and the US emptied its bases in Iraq. It was a realisation that a base which cannot be used in a skirmish cannot be used in war.
Since then, SA has been engaged in secret diplomacy with Iran and materialised it with China, Oman, etc in 2022.

 

[delta2]

And yet Russia hasn't delivered a single fighter jet, even when they had 24 Sukhoi-35s ready to be delivered.


That's a weird idea. Trump just recently said that he asked Israel to let Syria take care of Hezbollah and you think Syria will supply Hezbollah?

Why don't you ask Netanyahu to resupply Hezbollah? Let's send our weapons to Tel Aviv and then resupply Hezbollah, or even better, purchase Israeli weapons for Hezbollah and ask Israel to deliver them lmao

The whole purpose of overthrowing Assad in Syria with the help of Turkey and Russia was to cut our supply lines to Hezbollah and the so-called Axis of Resistance. I like your optimism though.

Assad was overthrown from power because he refused the pipeline proposal that was to go from Qatar through KSA through Jordan through Syria Through Turkiye into Europe. He refused Halliburton and instead invited Russian Gazprom to Syria to do business. Little did he know Putin was a zionist puppet all along.

Now that Assad has been removed, that pipeline will be built. This whole Trump-Hormuz war has that behind it.

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[AZ_HighCountry]

2 of the 8 US pilots killed in the B-52 crash were involved in bombing Iran

I'm a little skeptical. That aircraft was assigned to the 412th Test Wing. I'm not aware of any test wing aircraft that would be used in combat operations unless it was deemed safe enough to test its radar upgrade (received Dec. 2025) in a combat environment.

The pilots? Possible. It depends on their current tour.

This is why I generally distrust Twitter posts regardless of who posts them.

 

[tsunset]

There will probably be arms deal and cooperation between US and Iran if the final deal is signed

F-16 F-15 and cooperation for warships

People laugh at this but with Trump everything is possible

 

[Meengla]

American chest beaters - and they know who they are - now need to explain how USA is in a stronger position in the Gulf region than before the war. You fought this war for Israel and Israel has benefited - is that really something your sons in uniform should be proud of?

Answer: Crickets!
Iran has gained the upper hand. No questions about that. Forget this forum, look at what just about all the analysts are saying.

— Any final agreement will include a plan to establish a $300 billion fund for Iran's reconstruction.

Looks like there maybe some truth in the $300 billion fund, after all. Here is Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/iran-deal-includes-300-billion-fund-more-than-half-which-already-committed-2026-06-16/

• Commitments exceed $150 billion across five regions, says source
• The investment fund vehicle contains no government money
• New fund is separate from frozen asset talks, says source
• Fund only becomes operational after a final U.S.-Iran deal is signed

DUBAI, June 16 (Reuters) - A $300 billion private fund designed to trigger investment into Iran is outlined in the U.S.-Iran framework agreement and more than half that sum has already been committed, a source with ‌direct knowledge of the deal told Reuters.
The fund is designed to give both sides an economic incentive to conclude a final deal, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the plan has not yet been announced as Washington and Tehran prepare to sign on Friday.

 

[Oscar]

There will probably be arms deal and cooperation between US and Iran if the final deal is signed

F-16 F-15 and cooperation for warships

People laugh at this but with Trump everything is possible

While that is a strech of the imagination - both the KGB and CIA are on record that Iran is the true lynchpin ally they desire in the middle east - not the GCC particularly.
Because it lets them influence the ME, Central Asia - South Asia and really be central to it all.

 

[delta2]

The Germans had killed the British Empire in WW2 already, but its burial definitely took place in the Suez lol.

Now to think of it, how ironic it is!!

The British Empire, the ruler of the seas, buried in a tiny canal between two deserts, never to rise again!

 

[Watandar]

I sure hope this happens. Hegseth was the one who assured Trump that Iran would never close the Strait of Hormuz. For that alone he deserves to be fired.