Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PakistanLVR]

NK weapons used in Ukraine were of such low quality that Russians politely declined to use them. And returned them with a thank you.

Terrible 155mm arty rounds and horribly unreliable Grads and the KN-25 SRBMs.

Just junk!

And plenty of vidz of captured NK soldiers with parasites in their gut due to poor living conditions and contaminated food.

With all due respect to you, your assertions about everything are flat out wrong. Very wrong.
The Ukrainians sources have stated that the NK have fought aggressively and not surrender unlike the average Russian conscript.

You think Pakistans nukes are non-existing or non-working but they have routinely saved the country from being balkanized.

You think nukes are no longer effective weapons, but the U.S. is rushing towards creating the golden dome because they fear a MAD situation in the future involving nuke warheads.

do you honestly think the U.S. or Israel would’ve dared attack like that had Iran had nuclear weapons? Additionally why did the U.S. take a softer approach vs Pakistan when Afghanistan became a proxy war.

You’re equating Indians launching air strikes on madrassas and then within hour calling for a ceasefire because they fully understand the escalation ladder that Pakistan had in its back pocket.

I get the cheerleading for what Iran has accomplished but not a single Iranian or Pakistani here thinks that not having nuclear weapons is a smart policy.
Even a few weeks back Iran in a phone conversation with Pakistan implied about testing a nuke which forced Trump to quickly understand the grave situation, but you think nukes no longer matters lol. You’re crazy af.

 

[VCheng]

If the GCC and others don't make alternative plans they are morons who can't be helped

Have any of them actually asked for any such "help" from Iran or anybody else?

As sovereign states, they are perfectly capable of deciding their national policies just as Iran and everybody else can.

 

[Meengla]

That is almost a certainty at this point... zionists have socially engineered themselves to out compete the other in their capacity for violence... and for most of their electorate miliekowsky is not violent enough... though one with the agenda. The core of neocon project ... and in that regard what orange did is in essence hand the neocons a defeat... most of them were not on board with his presidency... which js what they've been writing about in the past decade.
It's likely that the next house and senate will have no neocon constituency... except for some incumbents if they keep their seats. A totally new chapter for zion...
Bennett is another with American background, chabadnik who's parents did Aliyah to zion... was an understudy to miliekowsky... in essence the heir to his legacy. Will aim to pull strings in the US while starting new conflicts and sabotage ops in Mideast and elsewhere...

I beg to differ. No one has the cunningness, the connections with America, the ambitions, the experience like Netanyahu. Bennet maybe the next biggest warhawk in Israel but he is nowhere near as effective and ambitious like Netanyahu.
Another poster a few days ago made a long post about how Netanyahu's personality plays and outsized role in Israel and in the Middle East. It was a great post.

 

[hussain0216]

Have any of them actually asked for any such "help" from Iran or anybody else?

As sovereign states, they are perfectly capable of deciding their national policies just as Iran and everybody else can.

They are compromised and their planning was retarded

They stood buy whilst Palestinians were massacred,
They trusted the U.S who plunged their economies into turmoil for Israel

 

[VCheng]

They are compromised and their planning was retarded

They stood buy whilst Palestinians were massacred,
They trusted the U.S who plunged their economies into turmoil for Israel

So these are your views and you have the right to hold such views.

But they have a sovereign right to determine their own courses of action too, whether you agree with them or not.

 

[BananaRepublic]

They are compromised and their planning was retarded

They stood buy whilst Palestinians were massacred,
They trusted the U.S who plunged their economies into turmoil for Israel

The PGCC entities are puppets.

They have about as much independence as a Barbie doll.

Iran needs to make a choice for them otherwise US will choose warmongering for them.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I beg to differ. No one has the cunningness, the connections with America, the ambitions, the experience like Netanyahu. Bennet maybe the next biggest warhawk in Israel but he is nowhere near as effective and ambitious like Netanyahu.
Another poster a few days ago made a long post about how Netanyahu's personality plays and outsized role in Israel and in the Middle East. It was a great post.

Well, his time is up... he'll serve as the great scapegoat... as likes of Bennett put the onus of defeat on him and cause of isolation in the US. A lot of money will be pouring in to prop up candidates who can deflect direct questions. As of now... the ground is being laid to throw miliekowsky under the bus.

 

[PakistanLVR]

With all due respect to you, your assertions about everything are flat out wrong. Very wrong.
The Ukrainians sources have stated that the NK have fought aggressively and not surrender unlike the average Russian conscript.

You think Pakistans nukes are non-existing or non-working but they have routinely saved the country from being balkanized.

You think nukes are no longer effective weapons, but the U.S. is rushing towards creating the golden dome because they fear a MAD situation in the future involving nuke warheads.

do you honestly think the U.S. or Israel would’ve dared attack like that had Iran had nuclear weapons? Additionally why did the U.S. take a softer approach vs Pakistan when Afghanistan became a proxy war.

You’re equating Indians launching air strikes on madrassas and then within hour calling for a ceasefire because they fully understand the escalation ladder that Pakistan had in its back pocket.

I get the cheerleading for what Iran has accomplished but not a single Iranian or Pakistani here thinks that not having nuclear weapons is a smart policy.
Even a few weeks back Iran in a phone conversation with Pakistan implied about testing a nuke which forced Trump to quickly understand the grave situation, but you think nukes no longer matters lol. You’re crazy af.

Oh look another nation turning to nuclear weapon

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-17/finland-lifts-nuclear-weapons-ban-as-security-risks-grow

 

[Abdul q]

The change of bought up Epstein islanders about pusserelis is because they know the public perception has changed with midterms around the corner…. So, they’re playing along till election and cycle will repeat… remember its always been Epstein islanders in power in occupied state of America

 

[Shags101]

I always try to remain optimistic. Somehow though, my pessimistic side always presents good arguments. Just like I told some buddies of mine in '91. They all laughed when I said we'd be going back to the Gulf.

To be fair which time did they laugh and which times were legitimate reasons not that I cared whatsoever for saddam and his kin

 

[krash]

People like you would have accepted Mongol rule lol

But Muslims didn’t. Muslims defeated and then converted Mongols.

Sit back down Qutuz of Birmingham. Big talk while living in the enemy's heartland.

The Muslims who defeated them did not convert them. The ones who did, had been conquered. Berke Khan of The Golden Horde in Europe had converted before the Mongols sacked Baghdad, let alone their defeats against any Muslim army. All the fantasized resistance that you propose ended up in piles of millions of skulls with their entire civilizations, knowledge, and industries lost and still waiting to be recovered. The same losses you still wail for. The only two who defeated them bided their time and began their resistance when they saw their chances favorable.

1) The Mamluk in Cairo attacked after Mongke's death which had forced Hulegu to return to Mongolia with the bulk of his army for the Kurultai, leaving only 10,000 behind. The Mongols never returned in full force, preoccupied by the civil war and the later fracturing of the Empire after Mongke.

2) The Delhi Sultanate absorbed major losses across what is today Pakistan from 1220 till 1292 without responding, including the butchering of Lahore. It also refused refuge to Jalaludin to avoid Mongol wrath which effectively ended the great Khwarizmian Empire that had acted just as "wisely" as you have advised. The Delhi Sultanate instead sued for peace till 1292 and used that time to build itself against the Mongols, especially under Sultan Balban who was obsessed by it. During the same time the Mongol Empire waned, starting from the civil war mentioned above, and broke off into smaller Khanates. It was when the Chagatai Khanate (the least powerful, the most fractured, and the poorest Khanate of the four) invaded in 1292 that the Delhi Sultanate correctly judged the power imbalance favorable and began its successful resistance that you glorify today. The Sultunate never fought the actual Mongol Empire except in point-defense, which it lost every time.

Justice is at the core of Islam. Not might! Might is temporary.

The Quran prohibited any fighting during the first 13 years against the Quresh's atrocities due to the power imbalance even though the Sahabah were rearing for it. Later it reduced the promise of success and the compulsion to fight from 1 Vs 10 to 1 Vs 2 in Surah Al-Anfal because "there was weakness in them", while the Prophet (SAW) was still there. Then it upheld the truce of Hudaibiyah because peace was more in need for the Muslims despite many Sahabah's insistence on fighting.

Books would serve you better than whatever fantasies you've conjured up to live through your cognitive dissonance. 'No David' would be a good start.

 

[Meengla]

David Horovitz is a sharp Israeli analyst, well worth following to understand the Israeli POV. He too is crying over the upcoming Deal. The whole article is worth reading but this part shows how Trump has been insulting Israel on a global scale. Hahahahahahah!!

Trump’s deal is a catastrophic capitulation to Iran’s aggressors, leaves Israel vulnerable and constrained

In the US president's reality-challenged view, Israel is an ingrate and a warmonger, while Iran's mass-murdering leaders are 'very rational.' They are indeed all too rational, and he, clearly, is not

www.timesofisrael.com

Trump asserted in remarks at the G7 summit on Tuesday that Israel should be showering him with gratitude, since it is only thanks to him that we were not already eliminated in an Iranian nuclear assault.

“If it weren’t for the United States of America — with me, because Obama was the opposite — Israel would not exist right now. Israel would have been blown off the face of the earth, 100 percent. And every smart person in Israel knows that,” he declared. “Without us, without the United States, there would be no Israel. Without me, there’d be no Israel, because no other president was willing to do what I did [in tackling Iran].” Iran, he said, was “two weeks away” from having a nuclear weapon.

But he has now struck a deal that fails to definitively close off Tehran’s practical capacity to complete its nuclear program, and removes US military leverage to deter it from doing so.

And that’s not all.

 

[Meengla]

Bennett is another with American background, chabadnik who's parents did Aliyah to zion... was an understudy to miliekowsky... in essence the heir to his legacy. Will aim to pull strings in the US while starting new conflicts and sabotage ops in Mideast and elsewhere...

My point was and I had said it multiple times before even this war began: This war only happened because two leaders, Trump and Netanyahu, happen to occupy their respective offices at the same time. I had also said that if either Trump or Netanyahu had a heart attack then this war would not happen or if happening would stop. This is a personal war. A personal war! A Bennet in power in Israel or a Vance in power in America would not allow this war to happen.

BTW, only dumb people think nations always go to wars for national interests. No. Even in the so-called 'democracies', often the topmost leader drags a nation to power based on personal biases and vested interests and often with drastic consequences. If a Medvedev was the Russian President then there would not be a war on Ukraine. If a Manmohan Singh was in power in India then there would not be an Operation Sindoor May 2025. And if a Yair Lapid was in power in Israel then there would not be this war on Iran.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

It would be foolish for Iran not to develop nukes.

 

[Watandar]

Iran won the war according to this Professor

Iran dealt Israel a crushing defeat and vindicated America's anti-war majority

Pro-war pundits promised regime change, state collapse and strategic victory. Instead, Iran endured and Israel is now more isolated than ever

www.middleeasteye.net

Meanwhile UAE outlet is pushing the same line we now see across Western media aka "Iran is weakened".

Who won the Iran war? | The National

Tehran was badly weakened on the battlefield, but the framework deal with Washington may be handing it strategic gains

www.thenationalnews.com

I think the fact that West and it's proxies can only say the war merely weakened Iran is itself an admission of their defeat.