Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Gripen9]

Alright kids, let's gather 'round. Grandpa AZ has something to share.

I tried to be neutral in how the following question was asked of ChatGPT:

In the 1970s, how did Iran Air compare with Pakistan International airlines in terms of service, quality, and reliability?

A reasonably fair and neutral question, right?

Answer:

In the 1970s, both Iran Air and Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) were considered strong, internationally competitive flag carriers, but they had different strengths and slightly different global reputations.
A good way to compare them is across service, comfort, and reliability in that era.

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1. Overall global standing (1970s context)​

Iran Air​

• Rapidly rising “modernization success story”
• Often described as one of the fastest-growing and best-managed airlines globally in the 1970s
• By the mid–late 1970s:
  • Among the safest airlines in the world (top tier alongside Qantas)
  • Highly profitable and professionally run

PIA​

• Already a prestige carrier in the 1960s and early 1970s
• Known as an innovator in passenger service
  • Early adopter of long-haul jets and widebodies
  • Strong international presence (Europe, North America, Asia)
• Reputation peaked slightly earlier than Iran Air’s “golden era”

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2. Reliability (punctuality, safety, operational consistency)​

Iran Air (stronger in the late 1970s)​

• Extremely strong safety record (among the best globally)
• Highly centralized, professionally managed under Ali-Mohammad Khademi
• Considered very reliable operationally for long-haul routes
• Ranked near the top globally in safety metrics of the era

PIA (strong but more variable)​

• Also had a solid safety and operational record in the 1970s
• Known for pioneering long-haul operations (e.g., early 747 use, long-range routes)
• However:
  • More exposure to political and organizational fluctuations
  • Slightly less consistent operational discipline compared with Iran Air’s peak-era management style

Verdict (reliability):

• Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s)
• But both were well above global average

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3. Service quality (cabin experience, hospitality, consistency)​

PIA (generally stronger in “passenger experience” reputation)​

PIA in its peak era was famous for:

• Strong hospitality culture
• Early innovations in passenger service (often credited with pioneering in-flight entertainment concepts in the region)
• A “friendly, warm” service reputation that stood out internationally

Iran Air​

• More formal, standardized service style
• High-quality catering (especially Persian cuisine on international routes)
• But less globally known for “luxury service personality”
• Crew professionalism high, but not as “iconic” as Gulf-style hospitality that came later

Verdict (service):

• Slight edge → PIA
• Iran Air = more formal excellence
• PIA = more memorable hospitality experience

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4. Comfort and fleet quality​

Iran Air (late 1970s advantage in modernization)​

• Very modern fleet for the time:
  • Boeing 747 variants
  • Airbus A300 (introduced late 1970s)
  • Long-haul nonstop capability (e.g., Tehran–New York)
• Designed as a hub-style global connector airline

PIA​

• Also modern and prestigious:
  • Early Boeing 747 operator
  • DC-10 and widebody long-haul capability
• Strong long-range network for its size

Verdict (comfort/fleet):

• Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s modernization wave)
• But both were top-tier globally at the time

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5. Direct comparison summary​

Category	Iran Air (1970s)	PIA (1970s)
Safety / reliability	Very high (top global tier)	High
Operational consistency	Strong, highly structured	Strong but more variable
Passenger service	Formal, high quality	More personable, highly regarded
Fleet modernity (late 70s)	Very strong (A300, 747SP, etc.)	Strong (747, DC-10)
Global reputation peak	Late 1970s	Early–mid 1970s

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Final takeaway​

In the 1970s:

• Iran Air = more professionally run, highly reliable, and rapidly modernizing toward global hub-carrier status
• PIA = more service-oriented, innovative in passenger experience, and already globally respected earlier in the decade

Simple way to remember it:​

• Iran Air = operational excellence + rapid modernization
• PIA = hospitality + early global prestige + innovation in passenger experience

I am late to the party, and apologies in advance for derailing the thread.

Here is my ChatGPT prompt to look at PIA and Iran Air over the years before 79 revolution.

I also quite frequently travelled on Iran Air during mid 90s KHI > Tehran > London Heathrow. A friend of my father - Sri Lankan married to an Assyrian Iranian Christian lady was Chief Engineer at Iran Air. Both opted to stay in Iran post 79 revolution and had no issues carrying on their lives. The flight had and over night stop over and Iran air made you take your directly booked baggage out at Mehrabad, go through customs and recheck in 18 hours later for your connecting flight which was dumb even in the 90s. We would spend the night at Uncle P's house, have lunch at a great restaurant in Tehran and fly out in the evening.


ChatGPT review:

PIA vs. Iran Air (1950s–1979): A Neutral Historical Comparison​

The histories of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) and Iran Air between the 1950s and 1979 represent two distinct models of aviation success in the developing world. Both airlines achieved international recognition, but they excelled in different areas and at different times.

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Overview​

Between the 1950s and 1979:

• PIA emerged as a pioneering and highly influential airline that often operated beyond its size, helping develop aviation expertise across Asia, the Middle East, and Africa.
• Iran Air evolved into one of the world's fastest-growing and most modern airlines during the 1970s, backed by Iran's economic expansion and ambitious aviation strategy.

A balanced assessment suggests that:

• PIA was the more influential aviation institution and trainer of talent.
• Iran Air became the stronger airline in terms of fleet modernization, financial resources, and long-haul ambitions by the late 1970s.

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1950s: Foundation and Early Development​

PIA​

Founded in 1955 from the nationalization and expansion of Orient Airways, PIA quickly established itself as a serious international carrier.
Key achievements:

• Developed international routes linking Pakistan with Europe, the Middle East, and Asia.
• Benefited from Pakistan's strategic geographic position between Europe and Southeast Asia.
• Built a reputation for professional management and operational excellence under Air Marshal Nur Khan.

By the end of the decade, PIA was already recognized as one of Asia's more ambitious airlines.

Iran's Airline Sector​

Before the creation of Iran Air, Iran's aviation industry consisted primarily of Iranian Airways and Persian Air Services.
Achievements:

• Established domestic and regional air connectivity.
• Built the foundation for a future national carrier.

However, Iran had not yet consolidated its aviation resources into a single flagship airline.

Assessment​

During the 1950s, PIA was clearly ahead in terms of international presence and organizational development.

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1960s: PIA's Golden Age​

The 1960s are widely considered PIA's most influential decade.

Major PIA Achievements​

Early Jet Leadership​

• First Asian airline to operate Boeing 707 services.
• Among the earliest non-Western airlines to successfully transition into the jet age.

Route Expansion​

• Expanded services to Europe, North America, the Middle East, and East Asia.
• Became the first non-communist airline to operate scheduled services to China.

Innovation​

PIA gained a reputation for innovation in:

• Flight operations
• Passenger service
• Engineering
• Airline management

Training and International Support​

Perhaps PIA's most enduring contribution was the export of aviation expertise.
PIA personnel and training programs contributed to:

• Gulf civil aviation development
• Air Malta
• Malaysian aviation organizations after the breakup of Malaysia-Singapore Airlines (MSA)
• Early aviation development across several Muslim-majority countries

Thousands of pilots, engineers, instructors, and managers trained by PIA worked throughout the Middle East and Asia.
PIA functioned not only as an airline but also as an aviation training institution.

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Iran Air During the 1960s​

Iran Air was formed in 1961 through the merger of Iranian Airways and Persian Air Services.
Under General Ali-Mohammad Khademi, Iran Air:

• Modernized rapidly.
• Acquired Boeing 707 and Boeing 727 aircraft.
• Expanded international operations.
• Built a strong reputation for professionalism and safety.

The airline laid the groundwork for the significant expansion that would occur in the following decade.

Assessment​

During the 1960s, PIA was generally regarded as the more influential and innovative airline internationally, while Iran Air was building the foundations of its future growth.

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1970s: Iran Air's Rise​

The 1970s marked a shift in relative standing.

Iran Air's Transformation​

Fueled by Iran's economic growth and oil revenues, Iran Air became one of the world's fastest-growing airlines.

Fleet Modernization​

Iran Air operated:

• Boeing 707
• Boeing 727
• Boeing 737
• Boeing 747
• Boeing 747SP
• Airbus A300

This was among the most advanced fleets outside North America and Western Europe.

Long-Haul Ambitions​

Iran Air expanded to:

• New York
• London
• Paris
• Frankfurt
• Tokyo
• Beijing

The airline envisioned Tehran as a future global aviation hub connecting Europe and Asia.

Operational Excellence​

By the late 1970s, Iran Air was widely recognized for:

• Safety
• Reliability
• Modern equipment
• Premium passenger service

Many observers viewed it as one of the most promising airlines in the world before the 1979 Revolution interrupted its growth trajectory.

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PIA During the 1970s​

PIA remained a respected international carrier and continued expanding its route network.
Achievements included:

• Introduction of Boeing 747 operations.
• Continued service to Europe, North America, the Middle East, and Asia.
• Maintenance of strong engineering and training capabilities.

However, several challenges slowed growth:

• Loss of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971.
• Economic constraints.
• Increased competition.
• Political interference.

While PIA remained prestigious, it was no longer growing as rapidly as Iran Air.

Assessment​

By the late 1970s, Iran Air had surpassed PIA in fleet sophistication, financial resources, and global expansion ambitions.

---

Contributions Beyond Their Own Operations​

PIA​

PIA's influence extended far beyond Pakistan.
Areas of impact included:

• Pilot training
• Engineering training
• Airline management
• Aviation consulting
• Startup support for emerging carriers

Notable examples include:

Emirates​

PIA contributed to Emirates' launch through:

• Aircraft leasing
• Operational expertise
• Training support
• Aviation personnel

Air Malta​

PIA played a significant role in helping establish Air Malta's operational framework.

Malaysia​

After the dissolution of Malaysia-Singapore Airlines (MSA), PIA provided expertise and training support to Malaysia's new national carrier, Malaysian Airline System (MAS).

Gulf Aviation​

PIA-trained professionals became deeply integrated into aviation systems throughout:

• UAE
• Saudi Arabia
• Qatar
• Bahrain
• Oman

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Iran Air​

Iran Air's contribution was primarily focused on developing Iran's own aviation sector.
Achievements included:

• Building one of the region's most advanced airline training programs.
• Developing domestic aviation infrastructure.
• Establishing high operational standards.
• Demonstrating that a developing country could operate a world-class intercontinental airline.

Unlike PIA, Iran Air generally did not function as a major exporter of aviation expertise to other airlines.

---

Comparative Strengths​

Category	PIA	Iran Air
Aviation Innovation (1960s)	Exceptional	Strong
Boeing 707 Pioneer in Asia	Yes	No
Training Foreign Airlines	Extensive	Limited
Export of Aviation Talent	Extensive	Limited
Airline Startup Assistance	Significant	Minimal
Fleet Modernization (1970s)	Strong	Exceptional
Financial Resources (1970s)	Moderate	Massive
Long-Haul Ambitions	Strong	Exceptional
Regional Influence Through Personnel	Very High	Moderate
Global Prestige by 1978	High	Very High

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Historical Legacy​

PIA's Legacy​

PIA's golden-era legacy rests on:

• Innovation
• Early jet leadership
• Aviation training
• Development of airline talent
• Support for emerging airlines

Many historians view PIA as one of the most influential aviation institutions in the developing world during the 1960s and early 1970s.

Iran Air's Legacy​

Iran Air's pre-1979 legacy rests on:

• Fleet modernization
• Operational excellence
• Long-haul network expansion
• Ambitious global strategy

By the late 1970s, Iran Air was positioned to become one of the world's leading international airlines.

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Balanced Conclusion​

A neutral historical assessment suggests:

1950s​

PIA held a clear advantage in international development and organizational maturity.

1960s​

PIA emerged as one of the most innovative and influential airlines in Asia, particularly through its contributions to aviation training and industry development.

1970s​

Iran Air became one of the world's most modern and ambitious airlines, benefiting from substantial investment, rapid fleet modernization, and a global growth strategy.

Overall (1950–1979)​

PIA's greatest achievement was its influence on the development of aviation across multiple countries and airlines.
Iran Air's greatest achievement was building one of the most modern and promising long-haul airlines of the pre-deregulation era.
Both airlines represent important success stories in the history of non-Western commercial aviation, each excelling in different dimensions and leaving distinct legacies that continue to be studied by aviation historians today.




For nostalgic reasons:

Jackie Kennedy flying PIA JFK-LHR



PIA Ad for its JFK flights

 

[Gripen9]

The good old Urdu language saying 'Girti Dewaar ko aik dhakka aur do!' (Let's give one last push to this crumbling wall!). Hillary and many others are finally finding their 'voice' against the Zionist hold on America.
And about time!

Hillary is a staunch neo liberal zio. During her presidency run, she said first thing she'd do if she became president was bomb Iran. Now just seeing the writing on the wall and fluttering like a weathervane.

 

[ShapurII]

I am late to the party, and apologies in advance for derailing the thread.

Here is my ChatGPT prompt to look at PIA and Iran Air over the years before 79 revolution.

I also quite frequently travelled on Iran Air during mid 90s KHI > Tehran > London Heathrow. A friend of my father - Sri Lankan married to an Assyrian Iranian Christian lady was Chief Engineer at Iran Air. Both opted to stay in Iran post 79 revolution and had no issues carrying on their lives. The flight had and over night stop over and Iran air made you take your directly booked baggage out at Mehrabad, go through customs and recheck in 18 hours later for your connecting flight which was dumb even in the 90s. We would spend the night at Uncle P's house, have lunch at a great restaurant in Tehran and fly out in the evening.


ChatGPT review:

PIA vs. Iran Air (1950s–1979): A Neutral Historical Comparison​

The histories of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) and Iran Air between the 1950s and 1979 represent two distinct models of aviation success in the developing world. Both airlines achieved international recognition, but they excelled in different areas and at different times.

---

Overview​

Between the 1950s and 1979:

• PIA emerged as a pioneering and highly influential airline that often operated beyond its size, helping develop aviation expertise across Asia, the Middle East, and Africa.
• Iran Air evolved into one of the world's fastest-growing and most modern airlines during the 1970s, backed by Iran's economic expansion and ambitious aviation strategy.

A balanced assessment suggests that:

• PIA was the more influential aviation institution and trainer of talent.
• Iran Air became the stronger airline in terms of fleet modernization, financial resources, and long-haul ambitions by the late 1970s.

---

1950s: Foundation and Early Development​

PIA​

Founded in 1955 from the nationalization and expansion of Orient Airways, PIA quickly established itself as a serious international carrier.
Key achievements:

• Developed international routes linking Pakistan with Europe, the Middle East, and Asia.
• Benefited from Pakistan's strategic geographic position between Europe and Southeast Asia.
• Built a reputation for professional management and operational excellence under Air Marshal Nur Khan.

By the end of the decade, PIA was already recognized as one of Asia's more ambitious airlines.

Iran's Airline Sector​

Before the creation of Iran Air, Iran's aviation industry consisted primarily of Iranian Airways and Persian Air Services.
Achievements:

• Established domestic and regional air connectivity.
• Built the foundation for a future national carrier.

However, Iran had not yet consolidated its aviation resources into a single flagship airline.

Assessment​

During the 1950s, PIA was clearly ahead in terms of international presence and organizational development.

---

1960s: PIA's Golden Age​

The 1960s are widely considered PIA's most influential decade.

Major PIA Achievements​

Early Jet Leadership​

• First Asian airline to operate Boeing 707 services.
• Among the earliest non-Western airlines to successfully transition into the jet age.

Route Expansion​

• Expanded services to Europe, North America, the Middle East, and East Asia.
• Became the first non-communist airline to operate scheduled services to China.

Innovation​

PIA gained a reputation for innovation in:

• Flight operations
• Passenger service
• Engineering
• Airline management

Training and International Support​

Perhaps PIA's most enduring contribution was the export of aviation expertise.
PIA personnel and training programs contributed to:

• Gulf civil aviation development
• Air Malta
• Malaysian aviation organizations after the breakup of Malaysia-Singapore Airlines (MSA)
• Early aviation development across several Muslim-majority countries

Thousands of pilots, engineers, instructors, and managers trained by PIA worked throughout the Middle East and Asia.
PIA functioned not only as an airline but also as an aviation training institution.

---

Iran Air During the 1960s​

Iran Air was formed in 1961 through the merger of Iranian Airways and Persian Air Services.
Under General Ali-Mohammad Khademi, Iran Air:

• Modernized rapidly.
• Acquired Boeing 707 and Boeing 727 aircraft.
• Expanded international operations.
• Built a strong reputation for professionalism and safety.

The airline laid the groundwork for the significant expansion that would occur in the following decade.

Assessment​

During the 1960s, PIA was generally regarded as the more influential and innovative airline internationally, while Iran Air was building the foundations of its future growth.

---

1970s: Iran Air's Rise​

The 1970s marked a shift in relative standing.

Iran Air's Transformation​

Fueled by Iran's economic growth and oil revenues, Iran Air became one of the world's fastest-growing airlines.

Fleet Modernization​

Iran Air operated:

• Boeing 707
• Boeing 727
• Boeing 737
• Boeing 747
• Boeing 747SP
• Airbus A300

This was among the most advanced fleets outside North America and Western Europe.

Long-Haul Ambitions​

Iran Air expanded to:

• New York
• London
• Paris
• Frankfurt
• Tokyo
• Beijing

The airline envisioned Tehran as a future global aviation hub connecting Europe and Asia.

Operational Excellence​

By the late 1970s, Iran Air was widely recognized for:

• Safety
• Reliability
• Modern equipment
• Premium passenger service

Many observers viewed it as one of the most promising airlines in the world before the 1979 Revolution interrupted its growth trajectory.

---

PIA During the 1970s​

PIA remained a respected international carrier and continued expanding its route network.
Achievements included:

• Introduction of Boeing 747 operations.
• Continued service to Europe, North America, the Middle East, and Asia.
• Maintenance of strong engineering and training capabilities.

However, several challenges slowed growth:

• Loss of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971.
• Economic constraints.
• Increased competition.
• Political interference.

While PIA remained prestigious, it was no longer growing as rapidly as Iran Air.

Assessment​

By the late 1970s, Iran Air had surpassed PIA in fleet sophistication, financial resources, and global expansion ambitions.

---

Contributions Beyond Their Own Operations​

PIA​

PIA's influence extended far beyond Pakistan.
Areas of impact included:

• Pilot training
• Engineering training
• Airline management
• Aviation consulting
• Startup support for emerging carriers

Notable examples include:

Emirates​

PIA contributed to Emirates' launch through:

• Aircraft leasing
• Operational expertise
• Training support
• Aviation personnel

Air Malta​

PIA played a significant role in helping establish Air Malta's operational framework.

Malaysia​

After the dissolution of Malaysia-Singapore Airlines (MSA), PIA provided expertise and training support to Malaysia's new national carrier, Malaysian Airline System (MAS).

Gulf Aviation​

PIA-trained professionals became deeply integrated into aviation systems throughout:

• UAE
• Saudi Arabia
• Qatar
• Bahrain
• Oman

---

Iran Air​

Iran Air's contribution was primarily focused on developing Iran's own aviation sector.
Achievements included:

• Building one of the region's most advanced airline training programs.
• Developing domestic aviation infrastructure.
• Establishing high operational standards.
• Demonstrating that a developing country could operate a world-class intercontinental airline.

Unlike PIA, Iran Air generally did not function as a major exporter of aviation expertise to other airlines.

---

Comparative Strengths​

Category	PIA	Iran Air
Aviation Innovation (1960s)	Exceptional	Strong
Boeing 707 Pioneer in Asia	Yes	No
Training Foreign Airlines	Extensive	Limited
Export of Aviation Talent	Extensive	Limited
Airline Startup Assistance	Significant	Minimal
Fleet Modernization (1970s)	Strong	Exceptional
Financial Resources (1970s)	Moderate	Massive
Long-Haul Ambitions	Strong	Exceptional
Regional Influence Through Personnel	Very High	Moderate
Global Prestige by 1978	High	Very High

---

Historical Legacy​

PIA's Legacy​

PIA's golden-era legacy rests on:

• Innovation
• Early jet leadership
• Aviation training
• Development of airline talent
• Support for emerging airlines

Many historians view PIA as one of the most influential aviation institutions in the developing world during the 1960s and early 1970s.

Iran Air's Legacy​

Iran Air's pre-1979 legacy rests on:

• Fleet modernization
• Operational excellence
• Long-haul network expansion
• Ambitious global strategy

By the late 1970s, Iran Air was positioned to become one of the world's leading international airlines.

---

Balanced Conclusion​

A neutral historical assessment suggests:

1950s​

PIA held a clear advantage in international development and organizational maturity.

1960s​

PIA emerged as one of the most innovative and influential airlines in Asia, particularly through its contributions to aviation training and industry development.

1970s​

Iran Air became one of the world's most modern and ambitious airlines, benefiting from substantial investment, rapid fleet modernization, and a global growth strategy.

Overall (1950–1979)​

PIA's greatest achievement was its influence on the development of aviation across multiple countries and airlines.
Iran Air's greatest achievement was building one of the most modern and promising long-haul airlines of the pre-deregulation era.
Both airlines represent important success stories in the history of non-Western commercial aviation, each excelling in different dimensions and leaving distinct legacies that continue to be studied by aviation historians today.




For nostalgic reasons:

Jackie Kennedy flying PIA JFK-LHR

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PIA Ad for its JFK flights

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Now ChatGPT knows all you guys come from the same forum on the internet, asking the same question. Mosad will use that information to track you down after the Jews complete their dream of global domination lol

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

Vance slams Israelis criticising US-Iran deal, warns them against alienating their only strong ally
US Vice President JD Vance sharply criticises extremist Israeli cabinet ministers for attacking US-Iran peace deal and President Trump, reminding them that most weapons protecting Israel are built by US and funded by American taxpayers.

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Much of the weapons protecting Israel over the last 90 days "were built by American hands and paid for by American tax dollars," says Vance. / Reuters
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US Vice President JD Vance has issued an extraordinary rebuke to Israeli critics of the Iran peace deal, warning them not to alienate their "only powerful ally" left in the world.

In a briefing at the White House on Thursday, Vance told members of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's extremist cabinet members to "wake up and smell the reality," amid growing tensions between Netanyahu and US President Donald Trump.

"Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time, and he happens to be the head of state of the world superpower," Vance said.

"If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world."

The two countries jointly launched the war on Iran on February 28 but Trump has chastised Israel for continuing attacks on Lebanon that threatened to derail the deal with Tehran.

"Over the last three months, two-thirds of the defensive weapons that have protected your homeland have been built by American hands and paid for by American tax dollars," Vance added.

"The problem for Israel is not Donald J. Trump -- and anybody in Israel who thinks their biggest problem is the president of the United States needs to wake up and smell the reality of the situation."

In an interview with the New York Times published on Thursday, Vance directly named Israeli national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich as having attacked the deal.

"I guess my response to them would be — what is your exact proposal? You're a country of nine million people. You can't just kill your way out of solving every single national security problem that you have," Vance told the Times.


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Trump demands complete truce, including in Lebanon

Trump himself has been increasingly critical of the high death toll from Israeli invasion, particularly in Lebanon.
"When two drones are shot into the desert and drop harmlessly, you don’t have to knock down buildings in Beirut. They could behave better, and frankly they could do a better job," Trump said in a press conference at the G7 summit in France on Wednesday.

Trump on Thursday urged Israel and other Middle Eastern countries to stick to the truce.

"We expect a complete Ceasefire on all fronts, including Lebanon, Hezbollah, and Israel. Thank you for your attention to this matter!" Trump said on his Truth Social network.

Israel has said it will not abide by the US-Iran peace deal.

On Thursday, Israel killed three Lebanese people in its attacks.

Lebanon's official National News Agency (NNA) reported that "an enemy drone targeted a car" in the Kfar Tibnit area, killing two people.

In the neighbouring village of Zebdine, another drone killed one more person, NNA said.

Israel's military, meanwhile, announced the killing of one of its soldiers the night before in an incident in south Lebanon that also left seven others wounded.

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres' spokesman, Stephane Dujarric, said that peacekeepers in Lebanon had also reported exchanges of fire on Thursday.

"So far today, 143 trajectories of projectiles were observed. Of these, 119 were attributed to the Israel Defense Forces (Israeli army), with the remainder to Hezbollah," Dujarric said at a daily briefing.

"Yesterday, 364 projectile launches were observed, of which 330 were attributed to the IDF (Israeli army) and 34 to Hezbollah."

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TRT World - Vance slams Israelis criticising US-Iran deal, warns them against alienating their only strong ally

US Vice President JD Vance sharply criticises extremist Israeli cabinet ministers for attacking US-Iran peace deal and President Trump, reminding them that most weapons protecting Israel are built by US and funded by American taxpayers.

www.trtworld.com

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[Gripen9]

Now ChatGPT knows all you guys come from the same forum on the internet, asking the same question. Mosad will use that information to track you down after the Jews complete their dream of global domination lol

I think they already know. IPhone is the ubiquitous device to monitor each and every aspectof our lives.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

There needs to be a serious re-evaluation in Tehran about their ties with the Houthis.

They did NOT show up in this war.

• Hezbollah showed up
• Iraqi militias showed up
• Even Syrian rogue elements showed up I believe behind the scenes helping with logistics.

Houthis? Fired a few missiles and drones.

So either their armament is critically low and they need a full Iranian rebuild à la Hezbollah post 2006 and 2024. Or they are not reliable allies and should be downgraded and more weapons funneled to other groups.

The Ansar-Allah in Yemen had over 2-year fight with both US and "?Israel", and the rest of AoR including Iran did not directly intervene on their part. They also paid heavy price in terms of material and human resources in that prolonged faith. So just like Hezbollah went through a period of re-org, Ansar-Allah could be going through a similar mode.

 

[ShapurII]

The Ansar-Allah in Yemen had over 2-year fight with both US and "?Israel", and the rest of AoR including Iran did not directly intervene on their part. They also paid heavy price in terms of material and human resources in that prolonged faith. So just like Hezbollah went through a period of re-org, Ansar-Allah could be going through a similar mode.

Yeah, except that Ansar-Allah exists because of Iran. The Saudis failed to invade Yemen because of Iran. They have missiles because of Iran. They owe their entire reign over Sanaa and their upgrade from AK-47s and sandals to MRBMs and a government to Iran. Not really the same thing.

Also, they fought with the US for 3 months only. And absorbed way fewer strikes than Iran during these 3 months. I don't get when or where this hypothetical 2-year war has happened.

 

[Trailer23]

Yaar, that is really not an obstacle.

All Bibi has to do is sit tight for a week or so, and then pull a 'Pahalgam'.

That'll be his excuse for going back into Lebanon. Iran will get annoyed and do exactly what !srael wants them to do and we're all back to Square 1.

Once Iran responds - the US/Trump will get sucked into this mess all over again and..., well we all know where all of this leads.

Well, that didn't take too long...

 

[925boy]

China, Pakistan and Iran - would be a formidable defence and trading bloc.

India would be left for dust.

If there were going to be any bloc formed in the region, it'll first be made up if China, Russia and Iran (maybe with N Korea as a stealth auxillary member).

No country that is too dependent on or leveraged by US/the west can join that bloc. Don't want to mention any names ...they know themselves.