Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Viet]

Then why they obey if it's not due to money?

Ukraine keeps getting money.

Public debt is impossible to pay, under control of western banks.

Besides Europe is now more dependent than never of USA LNG gas and crude oil.

But individually, top rulers, obey just due to corruption money.

Macron is a former Rothschild bank employee.

USA state and politicians can be seen as another employee of bankers.

The US pays zero penny to Ukraine.
That’s why nobody care of what Trump and his MAGA say about Ukraine.
Trump can continue talking to the wall.
What money Germany or Japan gets from the US? There is nothing, except the promise of protection which is hollow now under Trump. As for LNG, the Germans pay double or triple the price they previously paid the Russians.
If Iran is smart they can cash the distrust between Europe and Asia to the US.

 

[Meengla]

The Lake Lucerne Summit — Technical talks between US and Iran mediated by Pakistan, facilitated by Qatar is FINALLY a Go — technical talks between US and Iran to begin on the 21st of June in Burgenstock in Switzerland.

Iranian delegation even going to Switzerland tells you that Iranians are putting more faith in diplomacy than another war on them. As to the Strait closed by Iran or not, I don't know but my guess is Iran can use all the money it can get from the oil exports.
Anyway, we all certainly have very very interesting next few days ago; I don't think it will take but a few days to see to what extent there is a strategic change in America against Israel, if there is such, against the Israel lobby opposition.
Only a few more days!!

 

[Meengla]

Oh, as to the raging debate about Iran and West vs Iran and China: Why can't Iran follow the Pakistani model. Despite not much to offer in terms of economy, Pakistan has excellent relations with both China and America. Why should there be a zero-sum game? Also, while the West has been ascendant, it is not be noted that nothing lasts forever; a quick look at human history would you about the rise and fall of civilizations and empires. Today's China has a lot to offer in many ways and I think is rising and rising.

Iran should take what it can from wherever it comes from. Play the long, patient strategic game like Pakistan does so brilliantly.

 

[Meengla]

"The Palace Printer"! Wow! How low the global diplomacy has come from the Treat of Versailles! I think I really need to watch that decades old movie 'Idiocracy'!

The palace printer and Trump’s rush to sign: ‘Get this thing over with’

Trump stunned advisers by demanding to sign the deal at Versailles, days before a planned Swiss ceremony; Macron seized the moment, Rubio searched for a printer and a ceasefire began as Trump warned delay would make things worse

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The palace printer and Trump’s rush to sign: ‘Get this thing over with’​

Trump stunned advisers by demanding to sign the deal at Versailles, days before a planned Swiss ceremony; Macron seized the moment, Rubio searched for a printer and a ceasefire began as Trump warned delay would make things worse​

The palace printer and Trump’s rush to sign: ‘Get this thing over with’​

Trump stunned advisers by demanding to sign the deal at Versailles, days before a planned Swiss ceremony; Macron seized the moment, Rubio searched for a printer and a ceasefire began as Trump warned delay would make things worse​

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U.S. President Donald Trump signed a memorandum of understanding with Iran last Wednesday at the Palace of Versailles in France, putting a 60-day ceasefire between the sides into effect. But U.S. officials say that behind the scenes, the process was at times marked by chaos, pressure and urgency from Trump, as well as countless twists that nearly caused the contacts with Iran to collapse.
In an extensive CNN report on the hours and days leading up to the signing of the memorandum, Trump is described as surprising both his advisers and his host, French President Emmanuel Macron, when he demanded before dinner that the agreement be signed that same evening while he was still at the palace. That was despite Washington and Tehran having already agreed on a formal signing ceremony to be held two days later in Switzerland, at a resort overlooking Lake Lucerne, in the presence of Vice President JD Vance.

 

[FUB]

This post by Iranian embassy shows a few very interesting facts
1- the new Iranian leadership are very aggressive. Trump is right that there is a new leadership class in Iran.
2- Ghalibaf does not call the shots .
3- The tables have been turned
4-Iran is not going allow the world reserves of oil build over the next 60 days before the third round of the war without extracting maximum consequences.
In hindsight, the US assassinations gave Iran a huge advantage. The younger leaders are not interested in strategic patience.

 

[tsunset]

 

[Meengla]

I keep getting this feeling that Israel is being put into its place as the little spoilt brat it was and now being recognized on the global scale and even by the American public opinion and by the Trump regime. The voices against the Islamabad MOU even in America are relatively muted lately. Did anyone see how even Lindsey Graham recently avoided answering reporters when asked about the MOU? And the Netanyahu regime is slowly signally a draw down on Lebanon, though it will take some days to swallow their pride and do the needful.
And I don't think it will take many days to find out the American real policies after this MOU. Just a few more days!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Good route selection over Turkieye. Safer.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Even 1 year ago no one senior would come out and say this, Vance seems to be more and more coming into line with Tucker Carlson and the rest of MAGA

Not surprised considering the world has cut off relations with Israel and the US seems to be it's only partner left ... in crime.

So, behind closed doors, I am sure the Americans are facing unprecedented amount of global pressure that isn't being made public.

 

[Jagga Badmash]

I keep getting this feeling that Israel is being put into its place as the little spoilt brat it was and now being recognized on the global scale and even by the American public opinion and by the Trump regime. The voices against the Islamabad MOU even in America are relatively muted lately. Did anyone see how even Lindsey Graham recently avoided answering reporters when asked about the MOU? And the Netanyahu regime is slowly signally a draw down on Lebanon, though it will take some days to swallow their pride and do the needful.
And I don't think it will take many days to find out the American real policies after this MOU. Just a few more days!

Whole media especially western media is under US / Israel payroll and they are creating an illusion that USA being putting down Israel and on the other hand Israel is given freehand to capture Lebanon while Iran is being kept away along with other powerful Muslim countries away with the stick and carrot formula by Iran - USA deal, I bet you belkieve it not this is a part of game to gain goal of greater Israel.

 

[Jagga Badmash]

Good route selection over Turkieye. Safer.

Switzerland is hub of Jewish Mossad and they are being lured their almost all top leaders very bad choice by Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

Switzerland is hub of Jewish Mossad and they are being lured their almost all top leaders very bad choice by Iran.

I have no idea why we should meet in Switzerland anyway. What's wrong with Islamabad or Oman? Both of these places are safer for our delegation than Switzerland, which requires us to cross multiple European airspaces.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I keep getting this feeling that Israel is being put into its place as the little spoilt brat it was and now being recognized on the global scale and even by the American public opinion and by the Trump regime. The voices against the Islamabad MOU even in America are relatively muted lately. Did anyone see how even Lindsey Graham recently avoided answering reporters when asked about the MOU? And the Netanyahu regime is slowly signally a draw down on Lebanon, though it will take some days to swallow their pride and do the needful.
And I don't think it will take many days to find out the American real policies after this MOU. Just a few more days!

The opinion in the USA has changed for the better but I don’t think Trump is the one to bring about the change that is now required. It would need to take a new president and one that is not so influenced by AIPAC. If Vance takes over Trumps presidency if it ends early, ie maybe Trump will retire then sure, otherwise it will need a democratic leaderboard .

I still don’t understand the fascination with working at 80years old when you are worth millions but that is just me I guess.

 

[kobra]

Mosaad can do a funny thing in Geneva or maybe in air over some European country.. Iranian think tank could be walkingin to a trap.. The reformist Surgeon is not there ..

 

[Jagga Badmash]

I have no idea why we should meet in Switzerland anyway. What's wrong with Islamabad or Oman? Both of these places are safer for our delegation than Switzerland, which requires us to cross multiple European airspaces.

Pakistan is the only country I am not boasting but for now it is the reality that Israel would not attack or do anything against our guests since Jews are the most coward race on this planet earth and they fear Pakistan would send them to hell even with only one nuclear strike forever.

Again choosing Switzerland over Pakistan is a bad bad bad choice.

Even not direct killing but like Yasser Arafat they poisoned him with some radioactive dose and he died slowly, as per his wife claim traces of radioactive material found in his tooth brush.