Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

Trump has probably seen the Zionists duplicity. One would hope his administration gets this deal over the line.
The Israelis will continue attacking Lebanon in the hope Iran loses patience. The deal if it happens despite Israelis invading Southern Lebanon will be a bitter pill to swallow.

There is already a 'deconfliction' cell being setup minus Israel for Lebanon as part of the recent Switzerland discussions; Pakistan is part of that.
Hard to say what's coming up but maybe Israel pulls out of Southern Lebanon and then the Lebanese Army (plus some other countries?) deployed and guarantees there would not be attacks on northern Israel and no Israeli invasion of Lebanon again.

 

[maverick]

This war have proved that Iran can put offensive, but it lack defensive. Now there are two sides to defensive forces.

1. Land based.
2. Air based.

I think it is right time for iran to start investing in air based defensive weapons. I am talking about airforce. A modern air force provides:
1. Air defense interception
2. Combat air patrols
3. Escort for strike aircraft
4. Suppression of enemy aircraft
5. Better battlefield awareness through airborne sensors

Pakistan can help in that regard by gifting some 8-10 older JF-17s to iran to train their pilots and get them ready for newer JF-17 Block 3. It wont cost much, but it will give you the capability to go behind israeli fighter jets or atleast put some resistance to them in the air.
Even if they cannot defeat Israeli F-35s consistently, they could Intercept drones, Engage cruise missiles, Challenge support aircraft, Force enemy strike packages to be more cautious

if Iran is able to get AWACS from China and integrate JF17, a fleet of 40 aircrafts will be a formidable force.. i think they already have tankers ?

 

[HAIDER]

if Iran is able to get AWACS from China and integrate JF17, a fleet of 40 aircrafts will be a formidable force.. i think they already have tankers ?

may be , but Hajizadeh was modern warfare genius of this era. A man with amazing idea , which no one able to defeat his war doctrine. Basically Iran don t need a whole fleet of fighter jets, there concept is brilliant, missile, drones, satellites. No need of generations of plane and keep updating with expensive gadgets.
US feel the heat when Iranian hit Jordan base with multiple strikes.

 

[maverick]

may be , but Hajizadeh was modern warfare genius of this era. A man with amazing idea , which no one able to defeat his war doctrine. Basically Iran don t need a whole fleet of fighter jets, there concept is brilliant, missile, drones, satellites. No need of generations of plane and keep updating with expensive gadgets.
US feel the heat when Iranian hit Jordan base with multiple strikes.

any verified source how many losses are jordanian airfield with the last massive missile strikes?

 

[RocketLaw]

 

[maxpane]

usa is going back so new security system is needed.except uae all are accepting that

 

[Watandar]

may be , but Hajizadeh was modern warfare genius of this era. A man with amazing idea , which no one able to defeat his war doctrine. Basically Iran don t need a whole fleet of fighter jets, there concept is brilliant, missile, drones, satellites. No need of generations of plane and keep updating with expensive gadgets.
US feel the heat when Iranian hit Jordan base with multiple strikes.

He came up with that doctrine because Iran could not build an air force, due to sanctions or an unwillingness to sell to Iran. There is no substitute for an actual air force.

The Israelis/US would not have been able to fire so many standoff weapons over western Iraq or fly so many missions over Iran itself if the Iranians had a good air force. The damage Iran could have inflicted on US/GCC bases would also have been on a larger scale. Just look at the few raids the IRIAF did carry out like at Camp Beuhring.

 

[vmro]

The resumé of the war was simple on the Iranian side

0% Defense
100% Attack

Full berserk mode

And it still worked surprisingly

Everything needs to be reworked and rebuilt besides offensive capabilities

There's no way to counter USA-IDF air superiority anyway, so Iran didn't waste time and resources for doomed projects, but put their enemies in the, roughly, same position, they can attack but impossible to defend themselves, in very small area, tiny entity itself and much smaller us bases, but with expensive stuff and self proclaimed special people...

This was strategic war of resilience and abilities, advantages Iran poses in enormous territory and population preserved Iranian strategic edge over zionists... BTW, Egypt failed in their attempts, although they are totally comparable with Iran in any meaningful measures...

now Iran put entity in the state of paranoia, now they have to listen Erdogan's endless speeches full concentrated, which is harsh job even for mossad...even the prince of Arabia is boosting to the new reality...

 

[Eşbah]

By the way, those who opposed an Iranian preemptive strike during the US build-up in the region have been proven wrong, too. It was a major strategic mistake not to act during a time when Iran had a tactical advantage.

 

[vmro]

By the way, those who opposed an Iranian preemptive strike during the US build-up in the region have been proven wrong, too. It was a major strategic mistake not to act during a time when Iran had a tactical advantage.

But results would be the same anyway...

 

[ShapurII]

Face saving attempt by congress. They were low-key supporting the war from day one. Now that US lost and they see Trump are making concessions, they’re trying to make it look like they were never on board.

What concessions is Trump making though?
I haven't followed the news lately.

 

[ShapurII]

Pepe Escobar once implied he had evidence that Hassan Nasrallah faked his death. Not to be taken seriously.

Pepe Escobar is a joke. He once said that Israeli attack on Iran after TP1 or TP2 (I don't remember exactly) had been delayed because Israel wanted to use an EMP device on Tehran and Russia and others stopped Israel.

 

[Watandar]

By the way, those who opposed an Iranian preemptive strike during the US build-up in the region have been proven wrong, too. It was a major strategic mistake not to act during a time when Iran had a tactical advantage.

I don't think so. The politics and debate would have been completely different. The American public would have been told "9/11, 7/11, and now Iranian attack, you see we need another Global War on Terror 2.0". Events like the Minab school tragedy would be brushed off as "they started it" just like Gaza.

 

[Meengla]

By the way, those who opposed an Iranian preemptive strike during the US build-up in the region have been proven wrong, too. It was a major strategic mistake not to act during a time when Iran had a tactical advantage.

On the contrary: The war is unpopular all over the world, including in America, because Iran was attacked first. Iran would have gained a few tactical gains if did a 'preemptive strike' but the firepower that was concentrated against it would be only dented. Much of the American naval firepower was unreachable and the American bases were already emptied.
I have not found a single pro Iran analyst who had suggested before this war began that Iran should have struck first!

 

[Eşbah]

On the contrary: The war is unpopular all over the world, including in America, because Iran was attacked first.

The war has faced unpopularity in the US due to its results not aligning with the expectations of the Trump administration. Had they achieved a decisive victory, Trump would have been celebrated in Washington DC like Neil Armstrong's reception following the moon landing.