Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[925boy]

Correct me if I am wrong: The Saudis were not even invited but still went to the funeral? Either way, the great anger the Saudis had when the Aramco facility was bombed (Iran or Israeli false flag?) came down. I recall the Pakistani military high command then had a Corps Commanders urgent meeting where Pakistan had to respond to help Saudi Arabia. And I also think the official govt of Iran had denied the attack but the IIRC had owned the attack--something which the Iranians need to work on! There can't be multiple centers of power in a nation like in Iran's geopolitics.
Back then, the Pakistanis stressed upon Iran to be careful about Saudi Arabia because Pakistan was treaty-bound to help Saudi Arabia.

But was Pakistan also warning the Saudis to watch tier foreign policy actions and collaborations with foreign govts like US in order not to anger Iranians? Seems imbalanced for Pakistan (per your post)to only warn Iran after it retaliates against Saudis instead of also telling Saudis not to violate irans interests to keep the peace between both sides(which I believe is what Pakistan is doing so well currently between US and Iran).

 

[Meengla]

But was Pakistan also warning the Saudis to watch tier foreign policy actions and collaborations with foreign govts like US in order not to anger Iranians? Seems imbalanced for Pakistan (per your post)to only warn Iran after it retaliates against Saudis instead of also telling Saudis not to violate irans interests to keep the peace between both sides(which I believe is what Pakistan is doing so well currently between US and Iran).

I am sure Pakistan also tempered the Saudis to not over react; the attack on the Aramco facility was owned by the IRGC and Pakistanis couldn't understand why the Iranian govt denied the attack but the Iranian Guard owned that. Both Pakistan and Turkey were working hard to deflect the blame on Israel as False Flag for much of the attacks on the Gulf nations, instead of Iran.
And in the end, the Pak-Turk strategy has worked because the Saudi delegation came to the Supreme Leader's funeral despite not invited.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

As long as both Trump and Netanyahu occupy their respective offices until early 2029, we can't rule out another full fledged war, though I think that is unlikely. But any change in the US leadership--even today if Trump has a heart attack and Vance becomes the POTUS, then I am nearly certain the posture on Iran and the larger Middle East will change.

Attacking Iran directly was seen as a red line for decades.

As soon as the proxies were taken care of one-by-one, Iran looked primed to be attacked.

First, they droned Iran's most popular General Qasem Soleimani in Iraq in 2020.

• Iran learns no lesson.
• Iranian nationalists and the IRGC, we demonstrated our missile capability.

Next, they attacked Iran's Consulate in Syria in 2024.

• Hezbollah receives pagers.
• Butcher Al-Assad flees to Russia.
• Iranian nationalists and the IRGC, damn the Turks, damn the Arabs, damn the Pakistanis, damn everybody. We still have the Houthis.

The US and Houthis sign a ceasefire in May 2025.

First test run bombing launched on Iran in June 2025.

• Analysts predict Iran has about 6 months before the US hammers it.
• Iranian nationalists and the IRGC, we lit Israeli skies, no one will dare attack Iran ever again. We are going nuclear. Yeah baby.

Full scale war is declared on Iran in 2026, and vast majority of Iran's military assets are attacked and destroyed.

• Khamenei Sr is killed on day one.
• Khamenei Jr goes into hiding for 4 months.
• International analysts predict Iran will be dead meat in 2027.
• Iranian nationalists and the IRGC, we won, we won. America is going to give us free money now. We are going to rule from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean Sea. Yeah baby.

Conspiracy Theory
Discussions behind closed doors:

R4 (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Egypt) help Iran to understand, you need to let the US kill off all the fanatics in Iran if you want to move on and don't want to be nuked.

Iran (reformists/normal people), okay but we must not be seen as the anti-fanatics or collaborators. Deal is we rule Iran and not the Pehlavists. We'll dangle some victory carrots to the ordinary people during the death and destruction phase.

US (just business), okay, deal. We will swear at the Iranian Government and they can swear back at us, but we'll do as much damage to the Iranian military assets as possible until the military is taken over by the reformists.

China/Russia (just business), okay but you can't take all the oil and we also want a big piece of the pie too... And, not another Libya please.

 

[Meengla]

Attacking Iran directly was seen as a red line for decades.
As soon as the proxies were taken care of one-by-one, Iran looked primed to be attacked.

Agreed.

R4 (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Egypt) help Iran to understand, you need to let the US kill off all the fanatics in Iran if you want to move on and don't want to be nuked.

Certainly 'conspiracy theory', as you said.
Basically, Israelis wanted to duplicate their 'success' against Hezbollah in Iran by eliminating the leadership in Iran--and I can't say that strategy would not be effective even against Iran. But sometimes by early April, Americans had realized that there was no 'victory' and decided to cut their losses and approached Pakistan to help with an exit.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Are you betting on the US just doing the same again next time plus more stuff in order to make the whole gambit more appealing to Europeans? And you expect different outcomes?

European nations only involve themselves in wars where theres very low risk of death to European soldiers.

Examples are airstrikes on Serbia, Libya, Syria.

When Iranian offensive capability is neutered further, European militaries will be more than happy to join in.

Please don't take US-Europe public drama too seriously. They're all on the same page behind closed doors.

 

[PK781]

Where are these troops based? Where will they launch from? Where did you get that from ????

If there is any land attack on Iran, then should the country that hosts land attack forces have its entire oil infrastructure completely destroyed ?? Not a light tap as has been the case so far, but complete decimation? Should the Iranians deliver that message right now? ie If your country hosts this, then all gloves are off? If that is Iraq, then Iran should tell Iraq, there are serious consequences for hosting land invasion forces for that type of action and deliver serious damage that will take years to rebuild ?

we all know the west/us/israel won't rest easy on this one, they will be back to get their revenge. They won't risk themselves with land invasions. Time will tell as to when/how it happens but they're preparing hard.
all these pauses/ceasefires everywhere are all now temporary in nature and can flareup at any time

 

[FUB]

IRI new leaders forced Trump’s hand and they showed Oman can not be trusted . Back to square

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[FUB]

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[zzw001]

If they didnt get involved this time around, when the circumstances massively favoured the Americans and Israelis, why would they want to do it next time?

America will force the Europeans to join by blackmail, tariff threat, nato withdrawal, sanctions etc. Europeans are reliant on Americans to an enormous degree and that gives the US leverage. America will likely make sure the Europeans (and Japanese / Australians / Canadians) join next time given that they lost this time so to US strategists the combined forces of US and Israel were not enough to subjugate Iran and they needed reinforcements.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Basically, Israelis wanted to duplicate their 'success' against Hezbollah in Iran by eliminating the leadership in Iran--and I can't say that strategy would not be effective even against Iran.

Israelis were tasked to take out the Iranian leadership.

They did this dirty work with great precision and success.

... But sometimes by early April, Americans had realized that there was no 'victory' and decided to cut their losses...

US military had requested 6-8 weeks (42-56 days) of airstrikes to hit all military targets in Iran.

They successfully struck all targets they were tasked with within 40 days (28/02/2026-08/04/2026).

... and approached Pakistan to help with an exit.

Now, you can call that a conspiracy theory.

The US doesn't need Pakistan's help with any "exit" as there are no US forces in Iran like they were in Afghanistan.

Next phase of the war will be all about destroying the IRGC. How much of the economic infrastructure will be destroyed in the process is what's being planned for at the moment.

The same thing happened in Serbia.

 

[VCheng]

Next phase of the war will be all about destroying the IRGC. How much of the economic infrastructure will be destroyed in the process is what's being planned for at the moment.

There may be no need to do that, if certain accommodations can be negotiated with the IRGC as part of the final settlement.

 

[Flotilla]

Israelis were tasked to take out the Iranian leadership.

They did this dirty work with great precision and success.


US military had requested 6-8 weeks (42-56 days) of airstrikes to hit all military targets in Iran.

They successfully struck all targets they were tasked with within 40 days (28/02/2026-08/04/2026).


Now, you can call that a conspiracy theory.

The US doesn't need Pakistan's help with any "exit" as there are no US forces in Iran like they were in Afghanistan.

Next phase of the war will be all about destroying the IRGC. How much of the economic infrastructure will be destroyed in the process is what's being planned for at the moment.

The same thing happened in Serbia.

Stop lying.
They wanted to overthrown the Government. And they failed miserably.
After 13000 sorties they didn't destroy even half of the missile launchers how the hell can they destroy from the Air the IRGCN composed by two hundreds thousands of personnel?.

 

[FUB]

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[Meengla]

Israelis were tasked to take out the Iranian leadership.

They did this dirty work with great precision and success.


US military had requested 6-8 weeks (42-56 days) of airstrikes to hit all military targets in Iran.

They successfully struck all targets they were tasked with within 40 days (28/02/2026-08/04/2026).


Now, you can call that a conspiracy theory.

The US doesn't need Pakistan's help with any "exit" as there are no US forces in Iran like they were in Afghanistan.

Next phase of the war will be all about destroying the IRGC. How much of the economic infrastructure will be destroyed in the process is what's being planned for at the moment.

The same thing happened in Serbia.

Problem with people like you is that no matter the evidence, you keep repeating your predictions. Analysts after analysts are saying that this war is a major debacle for America. I'd add to that if indeed the Petro Dollar is doomed then, yes, a strategic defeat of America. Until then, it is a debacle but no more than that. However, it is a strategic loss for Israel and that's why there is breast beating in Israel and its surrogates in America.

To rebut you: No, while I don't rule out that as long as the Trump/Netanyahu axis sits in power there won't be another major war. But I will make my own prediction: If today Trump has a heart attack and Vance becomes the POTUS, then you'd see a rapid drawdown of the American forces. I consider it not a war for America: I have long considered a war for Israel, done by a compromised POTUS Trump who maybe finally seeing his folly.

Come back to me after 3 or 6 months and be prepared to admit you were wrong! I will do so if I would be proven wrong then. There is already an Iranian guy here--I won't name him--who said months ago that in 'a few weeks' or 'a few months', Iran would implode because of the Blockade. He has been proven wrong. As you probably will too!

 

[tsunset]

Israelis were tasked to take out the Iranian leadership.

They did this dirty work with great precision and success.


US military had requested 6-8 weeks (42-56 days) of airstrikes to hit all military targets in Iran.

They successfully struck all targets they were tasked with within 40 days (28/02/2026-08/04/2026).


Now, you can call that a conspiracy theory.

The US doesn't need Pakistan's help with any "exit" as there are no US forces in Iran like they were in Afghanistan.

Next phase of the war will be all about destroying the IRGC. How much of the economic infrastructure will be destroyed in the process is what's being planned for at the moment.

The same thing happened in Serbia.

Is your girlfriend Jewish?