Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PK781]

60,000 troops and additional support equipment is being amassed in the middleEast. Something is brewing...

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

If they didnt get involved this time around, when the circumstances massively favoured the Americans and Israelis, why would they want to do it next time?

"Massively favoured" would be like Iraq in 2003 where after a decade of a No-Fly Zone and sanctions, the country was invaded as if it was a walk in the park for foreign forces.

It is said this guy apparently commanded an army of around one million soldiers at one point.



I hope you're not under the impression that the US has run out of bullets?

 

[Magi]

Iran broke the Saudi siege on Sana'a airport

Is this a one time thing or will it be normalized? It was revealed that Zarif made a phone call and forced the Iranian aid ship to turn around 10 years ago. That was the last attempt.

 

[Ali_Baba]

60,000 troops and additional support equipment is being amassed in the middleEast. Something is brewing...

Where are these troops based? Where will they launch from? Where did you get that from ????

If there is any land attack on Iran, then should the country that hosts land attack forces have its entire oil infrastructure completely destroyed ?? Not a light tap as has been the case so far, but complete decimation? Should the Iranians deliver that message right now? ie If your country hosts this, then all gloves are off? If that is Iraq, then Iran should tell Iraq, there are serious consequences for hosting land invasion forces for that type of action and deliver serious damage that will take years to rebuild ?

 

[tsunset]

Where are these troops based? Where will they launch from? Where did you get that from ????

If there is any land attack on Iran, then should the country that hosts land attack forces have its entire oil infrastructure completely destroyed ?? Not a light tap as has been the case so far, but complete decimation? Should the Iranians deliver that message right now? ie If your country hosts this, then all gloves are off? If that is Iraq, then Iran should tell Iraq, there are serious consequences for hosting land invasion forces for that type of action and deliver serious damage that will take years to rebuild ?

They will rush inside Iran with Humvees jumping on desert hills with machine gunner at the back killing everyone trying to stop them

Just like the Germans did during WW2

 

[925boy]

It’s a tacit acknowledgment of the outcome

Yes, and the new regional situation ,as @SecularNationalist correctly stated, and @ShapurII should also accept that if Iran lost the war against US +Israel, why would Saudis send a delegate to the SLs burial just after the war entered a ceasefire that's not holding properly?

Given the importance of KSA in Islam, It made sense for Iran to allow a Saudi delegate to visit during the burial.
It also seems that Iran and the maturity of its reputation and strength in the region has enabled it to manage the Saudia more matuerely, vs more violently(unless that is necessary like during the recent war in the region). Time, work and drive has allowed Iran to essentially outdo Saudia in the region, and no money or foreign links will save Saudi from the consequences of irans rise. the axis of western states is clearly low on stamina and war fighting resources. , not fully sure why, Ukraine might be part of the reason, but demograpy and domestic politics have also hindered them. If war is logistics, then they can't effectively fight China for at least another 5 years.

 

[925boy]

Its good start lets hope this the start of a new era for muslim unity

If this is true then that means this new era of islamic unity started after some regional Muslim countries ACCEPTED that foreign states can't actually protect them from any threats or insecurities from regional Muslim countries, which is what the Iranian govt has said for at least a decade, so Iran was correct.

 

[Meengla]

It is because India does not see any hope for Iran. Come 2027, Iran will be under another full-fledged attack as some analysts are predicting.
... The same analysts who said Iran will be attacked in June 2025 and again by March 2026.
I won't be surprised if some of the European nations have joined in by then too.

As long as both Trump and Netanyahu occupy their respective offices until early 2029, we can't rule out another full fledged war, though I think that is unlikely. But any change in the US leadership--even today if Trump has a heart attack and Vance becomes the POTUS, then I am nearly certain the posture on Iran and the larger Middle East will change.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

... Given the importance of KSA in Islam, It made sense for Iran to allow a Saudi delegate to visit during the burial.
It also seems that Iran and the maturity of its reputation and strength in the region has enabled it to manage the Saudia more matuerely, vs more violently(unless that is necessary like during the recent war in the region). ...

Iran officially sent invitations to countries in the region inviting them to attend the funeral procession of its leader.

More high ranking officials from around the World attended the funeral of Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) leader Yasser Arafat than the leader of Iran so far.

Arafat's funeral: Who was there Friday, 12 November, 2004

​ Egypt's Hosni Mubarak (R) hosted leaders from across the Arab world The funeral of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat took place in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, on Friday. Heads of state, prime ministers and foreign ministers attended the ceremony. Those who were due to be there include: Algeria - President Abdelaziz Bouteflika Bangladesh - President Iajuddin Ahmed China - Vice Premier Hui Liangyu Denmark - Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller Egypt - President Hosni Mubarak European Union - Foreign policy chief Javier Solana France - Foreign Minister Michel Barnier Germany - Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer Greece - Foreign Minister Petros Molyviatis India - Foreign Minister Natwar Singh Indonesia - President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono Iran - Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi Iraq - Vice-President Rowsch Nouri Shaways Ireland - Foreign Affairs Minister Dermot Ahern Italy - Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Alfredo Mantica Jordan - King Abdullah Lebanon - President Emile Lahoud Malaysia - Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi The Netherlands - Foreign Minister Bernard Bot Norway - Foreign Minister Jan Petersen Pakistan - Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz Russia - State Duma Chairman Boris Gryzlov Saudi Arabia - Crown Prince Abdullah South Africa - President Thabo Mbeki Spain - Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos Sri Lanka - Prime Minister Mahinda Rajapakse Sudan - President Omar el-Bashir Sweden - Prime Minister Goran Persson Tunisia - President Zine el-Abdine Ben Ali Turkey - Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul United Kingdom - Foreign Secretary Jack Straw United Nations - Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen United States - Assistant Secretary of State Williams Burns World Council of Churches - Pope Shenouda III, head of Egypt's Coptic Orthodox Church Yemen - President Ali Abdullah Saleh Zimbabwe - President Robert Mugabe BBC News

 

[VCheng]

60,000 troops and additional support equipment is being amassed in the middleEast. Something is brewing...

When it not been brewing? There is always something or the other going on in the region as a whole for as long as I can remember at least. We will know the truth about this information in due course as well.

 

[Professor Jiang]

"Massively favoured" would be like Iraq in 2003 where after a decade of a No-Fly Zone and sanctions, the country was invaded as if it was a walk in the park for foreign forces.

It is said this guy apparently commanded an army of around one million soldiers at one point.

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I hope you're not under the impression that the US has run out of bullets?

What's with all this random projection? When did I say anything about the Americans "running out of bullets", and what in God's name has Saddam Hussein's situation got to do with anything?

The Americans and Israelis killed almost all Iran's military leadership AND ITS SUPREME LEADER in almost one fell swoop. This is an objective thing that happened. Iran likewise had limited airforce, an almost completely assymetric naval force, and shaky air defence (at least in the early days). The Europeans still didn't want to be involved, or at least seen to be involved, in any of it. To this day all they will commit is logistical support and intel. Boots on the ground is absolutely toxic in almost if not every one of these countries.

Are you betting on the US just doing the same again next time plus more stuff in order to make the whole gambit more appealing to Europeans? And you expect different outcomes?

 

[925boy]

Correct me if I am wrong: The Saudis were not even invited but still went to the funeral? Either way, the great anger the Saudis had when the Aramco facility was bombed (Iran or Israeli false flag?) came down. I recall the Pakistani military high command then had a Corps Commanders urgent meeting where Pakistan had to respond to help Saudi Arabia. And I also think the official govt of Iran had denied the attack but the IIRC had owned the attack--something which the Iranians need to work on! There can't be multiple centers of power in a nation like in Iran's geopolitics.
Back then, the Pakistanis stressed upon Iran to be careful about Saudi Arabia because Pakistan was treaty-bound to help Saudi Arabia.

But was Pakistan also warning the Saudis to watch tier foreign policy actions and collaborations with foreign govts like US in order not to anger Iranians? Seems imbalanced for Pakistan (per your post)to only warn Iran after it retaliates against Saudis instead of also telling Saudis not to violate irans interests to keep the peace between both sides(which I believe is what Pakistan is doing so well currently between US and Iran).

 

[Meengla]

But was Pakistan also warning the Saudis to watch tier foreign policy actions and collaborations with foreign govts like US in order not to anger Iranians? Seems imbalanced for Pakistan (per your post)to only warn Iran after it retaliates against Saudis instead of also telling Saudis not to violate irans interests to keep the peace between both sides(which I believe is what Pakistan is doing so well currently between US and Iran).

I am sure Pakistan also tempered the Saudis to not over react; the attack on the Aramco facility was owned by the IRGC and Pakistanis couldn't understand why the Iranian govt denied the attack but the Iranian Guard owned that. Both Pakistan and Turkey were working hard to deflect the blame on Israel as False Flag for much of the attacks on the Gulf nations, instead of Iran.
And in the end, the Pak-Turk strategy has worked because the Saudi delegation came to the Supreme Leader's funeral despite not invited.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

As long as both Trump and Netanyahu occupy their respective offices until early 2029, we can't rule out another full fledged war, though I think that is unlikely. But any change in the US leadership--even today if Trump has a heart attack and Vance becomes the POTUS, then I am nearly certain the posture on Iran and the larger Middle East will change.

Attacking Iran directly was seen as a red line for decades.

As soon as the proxies were taken care of one-by-one, Iran looked primed to be attacked.

First, they droned Iran's most popular General Qasem Soleimani in Iraq in 2020.

• Iran learns no lesson.
• Iranian nationalists and the IRGC, we demonstrated our missile capability.

Next, they attacked Iran's Consulate in Syria in 2024.

• Hezbollah receives pagers.
• Butcher Al-Assad flees to Russia.
• Iranian nationalists and the IRGC, damn the Turks, damn the Arabs, damn the Pakistanis, damn everybody. We still have the Houthis.

The US and Houthis sign a ceasefire in May 2025.

First test run bombing launched on Iran in June 2025.

• Analysts predict Iran has about 6 months before the US hammers it.
• Iranian nationalists and the IRGC, we lit Israeli skies, no one will dare attack Iran ever again. We are going nuclear. Yeah baby.

Full scale war is declared on Iran in 2026, and vast majority of Iran's military assets are attacked and destroyed.

• Khamenei Sr is killed on day one.
• Khamenei Jr goes into hiding for 4 months.
• International analysts predict Iran will be dead meat in 2027.
• Iranian nationalists and the IRGC, we won, we won. America is going to give us free money now. We are going to rule from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean Sea. Yeah baby.

Conspiracy Theory
Discussions behind closed doors:

R4 (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Egypt) help Iran to understand, you need to let the US kill off all the fanatics in Iran if you want to move on and don't want to be nuked.

Iran (reformists/normal people), okay but we must not be seen as the anti-fanatics or collaborators. Deal is we rule Iran and not the Pehlavists. We'll dangle some victory carrots to the ordinary people during the death and destruction phase.

US (just business), okay, deal. We will swear at the Iranian Government and they can swear back at us, but we'll do as much damage to the Iranian military assets as possible until the military is taken over by the reformists.

China/Russia (just business), okay but you can't take all the oil and we also want a big piece of the pie too... And, not another Libya please.

 

[Meengla]

Attacking Iran directly was seen as a red line for decades.
As soon as the proxies were taken care of one-by-one, Iran looked primed to be attacked.

Agreed.

R4 (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Egypt) help Iran to understand, you need to let the US kill off all the fanatics in Iran if you want to move on and don't want to be nuked.

Certainly 'conspiracy theory', as you said.
Basically, Israelis wanted to duplicate their 'success' against Hezbollah in Iran by eliminating the leadership in Iran--and I can't say that strategy would not be effective even against Iran. But sometimes by early April, Americans had realized that there was no 'victory' and decided to cut their losses and approached Pakistan to help with an exit.