Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Master Chief]

There are growing voices within Pakistan who are absolutely discontent with Pakistani role as mediator. The country is facing renewed onslaught of terrorism and people are demanding that government exhaust herself in battling that than to mediate between two of the world's powerful and mature empires.

There is nothing to mediate any more. Pakistan risks too much from staying in this great game any longer. Let Iran unleash everything it has. Tehran could find a way to fight off the Americans if it goes great guns - who knows? The location that matters strategically is The Strait of Hormuz. The military supremacy of US is not so clear cut there.

And as we all know, ultimately it is casualties and economic harm that force American military forces to withdraw. Iran has the right to have a full blooded go at them. Let them.

 

[030292]

There is nothing to mediate any more. Pakistan risks too much from staying in this great game any longer. Let Iran unleash everything it has. Tehran could find a way to fight off the Americans if it goes great guns - who knows? The location that matters strategically is The Strait of Hormuz. The military supremacy of US is not so clear cut there.

And as we all know, ultimately it is casualties and economic harm that force American military forces to withdraw. Iran has the right to have a full blooded go at them. Let them.

This 100 percent, the renewed american aggression is a slap on the face of mediators, american and israeli liars have been using mediation and ceasefires as a tool to get an upper hand on the battlefield, they genuinely dont give a F about peace in this region, treachery is in their blood.

 

[Master Chief]

This 100 percent, the renewed american aggression is a slap on the face of mediators, american and israeli liars have been using mediation and ceasefires as a tool to get an upper hand on the battlefield, they genuinely dont give a F about peace in this region, treachery is in their blood.

If we're being fair, I would say Iran also pushed the envelope by demanding some additional leverage over Omani waters, which were not mandated by the MoU (certainly not within this 60 day period). I don't think either belligerent can come away from this latest escalation blame-free!

USA does still seem to be in a hurry though. I can never quite figure out why. This panicked approach will lead to some mistakes. It is up to Iran to actually capitalise on those mistakes this time round.

 

[HAIDER]

Trump made agreement with Iran and disappeared. Nothing happening and Iran from past experience knows these agreements will only buying time to lower the Iran capabilities nothing else. A reason why all of sudden Iran flex muscles and attack Straight of Hormoz , the control of Hormuz is part of US agreement, where Iran-Oman will manage the straight jointly and execute joint mechanism.
They know nothing will come out from this agreement. Trump won't be able to pass any resolution mention in the agreement through US congress due to massive Israeli influence in both houses.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

With each passing day yanks are acting more and more like indians.

Poker face and game of bluff!

One playing with the empty hand never wants to show hand and keeps over committing.

The theif-in-chief knows he'll not deliver... so after each claw slaps a few around or wrecks the table... and tries to disorient... and consolidate any gains.

The thing is in this game... Orange gains personally and uses US treasury to compensate.

The best thing is to not play at all... because Orange pulls every string after bluster to keep Iranians committed. He knows he's a shyster ... but wants rules to be applied to the other side. Rules are only cuffs on one playing honestly.
US still lost even after reinstating a player with red card...

Suffice to say... the whole thing is deception filled to the brim.

 

[Watandar]

And why do you think I care? Let Israel face the consequences of what they have done. But when that happens, and I'm sure it will happen some day, it won't have anything to do with Muslims who constantly talk about Ummah but won't lift a finger to help other Muslims.

Mark my words, if some day Israel gets some sort of justice for decades of mistreating Palestinians, it will be done by European liberals or people with anti-Semitic sentiments instead of billions of Muslims who have done nothing for each other in recent history and have even tried to eliminate each other at every opportunity.

That aside, how many times did you clowns declare victory over the US here? Trump is a joke, but so are you guys. Fortunately, I never declared victory for any side of the conflict and I always said we should wait and see what would unfold. I was against a premature ceasefire from the very beginning as well. Again, my posts are there.

I also warned that the US and Israel would most likely turn this into a cycle of war, ceasefire, war, ceasefire at least as long as Trump is the office, trying to make Iran implode. Iran seems more eager for negotiating than Trump is, which in my opinion quite clearly shows whose side time is on.

Because this war is widely considered a strategic failure. It comes on top of American defeats in Afghanistan and Iraq. It has turned the American presence in the Gulf into a huge liability for its hosts, making the GCC rulers who spent hundreds of billions patronizing America look like absolute fools. It is the complete opposite of Feb 28, 1991, when the American blitzkrieg quickly destroyed Saddam Hussein and established the United States as the un-questioned hegemon of the Middle East.

You seem to not realize the clusterf**k this war has been for America's reputation and standing, not just in the Middle East , but in the world. And on top of all this Mr Trump the joker and his supporters declare victory every week lol.

The contrast between the United States of 1991, its military professionalism, its economic allure , the admiration of its institutions and the United States of 2026 is a sad one.

Hence we are not "clowns" to say America lost this war and Iran won. That won't change by Trump doing some airstrikes here and there.

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[ShapurII]

Because this war is widely considered a strategic failure. It comes on top of American defeats in Afghanistan and Iraq. It has turned the American presence in the Gulf into a huge liability for its hosts, making the GCC rulers who spent hundreds of billions patronizing America look like absolute fools. It is the complete opposite of Feb 28, 1991, when the American blitzkrieg quickly destroyed Saddam Hussein and established America as the un-questioned hegemon of the Middle East.

It is not considered to be a strategic failure, it was a strategic failure. It's a fact that the US achieved none of their objectives militarily but the war hasn't ended yet and Iran seems more eager for negotiations than Trump is. The US seems to be in the control of the situation by restarting the war at will and forcing ceasefire at will.

You seem to not realize the clusterf**k this war has been for America's reputation and standing, not just in the Middle East , but in the world. And on top of all this Mr Trump the joker and his supporters declare victory every week lol.

Europe is whining because they don't like Trump's stance on Russia, not because they disagree with Trump over Iran. The reputation of the US will return to what it was before this war once an anti-Russia presidents takes the office again.

We are not "clowns" to say America lost this war and Iran won. That won't change by Trump doing some airstrikes here and there.

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The war hasn't ended yet. No serious person talks about victory when something isn't even remotely close to end any time soon.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Let's be clear

This is going to be tough on Iran, as Iran will be hit
Iran will have to ABSORB the attacks


But the exact same equation exists, and that is the closure of the Hormuz and damage to economies in the gulf that are vital for the worlds oil market's, investment markets, fertilizer and transit etc are the big hammer Iran is wielding




The U.S NEEDS Iran to stand down otherwise the economic fallout is going to turn into a economic crisis (just you wait and watch)

But the Trump regime does not want to seem like the losers
They also don't want to remove sanctions
They want Iran to voluntarily reduce their missile and nuclear program and even open Iran economically to the U.S


Iran is not willing to do any of that and now has the cards to demand end to sanctions and no demands on its missile program or security


U.Smay have attacked, but what Iran has done is just hit back and the shock to the economic system is what's causing pain


The U.S can't keep doing this

Something like 20% of global energy supplies travels through Strait of Hormuz, not 80% which many like to imagine.

What was the amount during two-years of Covid-19 lockdowns? How did the world survive a Mad Max scenario back then?

 

[Watandar]

It is not considered to be a strategic failure, it was a strategic failure. It's a fact that the US achieved none of their objectives militarily but the war hasn't ended yet and Iran seems more eager for negotiations than Trump is. The US seems to be in the control of the situation by restarting the war at will and forcing ceasefire at will.

It was Trump who was eager for a deal, any deal to end this war and had been vocalizing that weekly for the past months. That was part of the criticism of the MoU, that it was too vague to implement but Trump wanted the conflict to end.

I refer you to the NYT article I posted here

I had also posted links to analysis which said the Iranian leadership is willing to take risks in order to assert its control of the Strait and maintain its leverage.

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You can read the article I posted here as well about how Trump doesn't have any good options.

Does all this sound to you like the US is in control ??

Europe is whining because they don't like Trump's stance on Russia, not because they disagree with Trump over Iran. The reputation of the US will return to what it was before this war once an anti-Russia presidents takes the office again.

Europe is looking for alternatives to the US, having being forced to absorb untold number of refugees from American wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya and then discovering that NATO doesn't mean much anymore. But I was talking about how badly the US has exposed itself to the world, not just Europe.

The war hasn't ended yet. No serious person talks about victory when something isn't even remotely close to end any time soon.

We shall see. I think the major part of the war that began on Feb 28 is done and the major outcomes are in front of us.

 

[Persian Gulf]

terrorist attack in security checkpoint in Mashhad

2 IRGC members killed

 

[Professor Jiang]

terrorist attack in security checkpoint in Mashhad

2 IRGC members killed

Bastard escaped too.

 

[ShapurII]

It was Trump who was eager for a deal, any deal to end this war and had been vocalizing that weekly for the past months. That was part of the criticism of the MoU, that it was too vague to implement but Trump wanted the conflict to end.

I refer you to the NYT article I posted here

I had also posted links to analysis which said the Iranian leadership is willing to take risks in order to assert its control of the Strait and maintain its leverage.

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You can read the article I posted here as well about how Trump doesn't have any good options.

Does all this sound to you like the US is in control ??

Europe is looking for alternatives to the US, having being forced to absorb untold number of refugees from American wars in Iraq, Syria, Libya and then discovering that NATO doesn't mean much anymore. But I was talking about how badly the US has exposed itself to the world, not just Europe.

We shall see. I think the major part of the war that began on Feb 28 is done and the major outcomes are in front of us.

Bro, Trump wanted a ceasefire, not a deal. He didn't want to give any actual concessions to Iran on paper and he didn't but he opened the Strait of Hormuz with just false promises as usual. He just needed more time to prepare for more strikes. Trump's main issue at this moment is November elections.

Iran must defend its control over the Strait of Hormuz at any cost as it is its best way of imposing an end to the war. Militarily, our missiles and drones have failed to achieve that and we cannot access our HEU right now to build a bomb.

Europe is not looking for alternatives in my opinion. Europeans, the peoples, do not want refugees but the governments of European countries do no mind cheap labor force as long as they're not kicked out in the next elections. Some immigrants from the MENA region had to work for slavery wages in Europe.

I think as long as Trump is in power and nobody stops him, the war hasn't ended. This is why the November elections are very important for Iran, Trump and Israel.

 

[ShapurII]

terrorist attack in security checkpoint in Mashhad

2 IRGC members killed

Do we know who has done it? How many were they? How did they escape?

 

[PK781]

so what's the latest situation right now ??

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

so what's the latest situation right now ??

Hormuz 0 traffic, US denied any attack.