Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Khorasan Black Flags]

I edited my response to address sit-ins: As far as sit-ins and protests, the funeral made the popular will clear but Araghchi still went to Oman. They don't seem to care.

Bia ru mozu thread bemunim, faghat ino mitunam behet begam

zalem dar masnad qodrat baqi nakhahad mand:

Abolhassan Banisadr - Wikipedia

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[kobra]

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Third impact identified at US Air Base in Jordan

It now appears that Iran's strikes used 10 ballistic missiles and destroyed 3 separate hangars at the US base > 1000km away with extreme precision. Although Jordan claimed it intercepted 8/8 missiles.

Jordan giving tough competition to UAE in interception game

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

 

[Abdul q]

No hit on USN ships so far?

 

[Meengla]

Iran privately told Trump advisers "they made a mistake" in shooting at ships in Strait of Hormuz​

Iranian officials privately told Trump advisers that they made a mistake in shooting at commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz, that the attacks stemmed from an "errant" sect of hardliners who are trying to undermine negotiations, and that they want to keep talking, senior U.S. officials said on Friday.

Iran privately told Trump advisers "they made a mistake" in shooting at ships in Strait of Hormuz

The White House wants Iran to publicly acknowledge that shooting at the ships was a mistake.

www.cbsnews.com

As I said multiple times: Iran doesn't have the same integral chain of command which even poor countries like Pakistan and India have. And that can't be blamed on this war: 'Iran' had launched missiles into Pakistan a couple of years ago--the only country which wishes Iranians from all strata of its society. Even Trita Parsi today, on Danny Haiphong show, saying that the Iranian reaction was over reaction.
Imagine nukes in their hands? Yes, people may not like me saying that but I wouldn't put nukes in their hands!

 

[Meengla]

If anyone had any doubts that America is a vassal state .

This picture captures why it is waste of time for Iran to negotiate.

Wrong conclusion to draw: Ro Khanna and many Democratic congressmen are 'in the trenches' against Israel for a long time, facing off AIPAC and winning. America maybe a democracy too much controlled by AIPAC but no democracy can ignore people's voices.

It is the lethargic, stagnant and defeatist attitude of so many in the anti-war camp which needs to be corrected.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

As I said multiple times: Iran doesn't have the same integral chain of command which even poor countries like Pakistan and India have. And that can't be blamed on this war: 'Iran' had launched missiles into Pakistan a couple of years ago--the only country which wishes Iranians from all strata of its society. Even Trita Parsi today, on Danny Haiphong show, saying that the Iranian reaction was over reaction.
Imagine nukes in their hands? Yes, people may not like me saying that but I wouldn't put nukes in their hands!

Make sure the country who fights the usa has NUKES

 

[Watandar]

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Third impact identified at US Air Base in Jordan

It now appears that Iran's strikes used 10 ballistic missiles and destroyed 3 separate hangars at the US base > 1000km away with extreme precision. Although Jordan claimed it intercepted 8/8 missiles.

I thought Iranian medium range missiles had good precision but their long range missiles, which are used to target Jordan and Israel, suffered from poor precision. It's one reason Iranian missiles which manage to penetrate US/Israeli AD/EW still often miss their target.

How were these hangars at the Jordan base stuck so precisely then ? Chinese and Russian targeting info combined with weaker Jordanain AD and EW interference ?

 

[Meengla]

Make sure the country who fights the usa has NUKES

After 9/11, Pakistan had faced the 'stone age' threat and Pakistan was a declared nuclear power three years before. What did Pakistan do? Played along, bide its time, and today's Pakistan is militarily, economically, diplomatically much stronger than it was 25 years ago.
Smart, long term geopolitics --which, I dare say, the Iranians are only beginning to learn from their only real friend and the veterans of geopolitics: Pakistan!

 

[BHAN85]

As I said multiple times: Iran doesn't have the same integral chain of command which even poor countries like Pakistan and India have. And that can't be blamed on this war: 'Iran' had launched missiles into Pakistan a couple of years ago--the only country which wishes Iranians from all strata of its society. Even Trita Parsi today, on Danny Haiphong show, saying that the Iranian reaction was over reaction.
Imagine nukes in their hands? Yes, people may not like me saying that but I wouldn't put nukes in their hands!

It's a USA source.

Iranian sources say the ships ignored Iran instructions.

Who lie? I don't know.

But all we saw clearly attacks stopping when negotiations started. I don't see so clearly that supposed existence of uncontrolled groups inside Iran.

 

[Watandar]

As I said multiple times: Iran doesn't have the same integral chain of command which even poor countries like Pakistan and India have. And that can't be blamed on this war: 'Iran' had launched missiles into Pakistan a couple of years ago--the only country which wishes Iranians from all strata of its society. Even Trita Parsi today, on Danny Haiphong show, saying that the Iranian reaction was over reaction.
Imagine nukes in their hands? Yes, people may not like me saying that but I wouldn't put nukes in their hands!

Hahaha Sir you have an exaggerated opinion of the Pakistani chain of command. Perhaps you should investigate how Op Gibraltar (1965) and Op Koh e Paima (1999) were launched before making such claims. But that is going off topic.

 

[Meengla]

It's a USA source.
Iranian sources say the ships ignored Iran instructions.
Who lie? I don't know.
But all we saw clearly attacks stopping when negotiations started. I don't see so clearly that supposed existence of uncontrolled groups inside Iran.

Here is the Trita Parsi video I was referring to. It is important to watch for its current status and for long term outlook anyway but it also addresses the Iranian over reaction. I don't think Trita's credentials about peace can be doubted.
Iran does have a problem of chain of command and centers of power.

 

[Meengla]

Hahaha Sir you have an exaggerated opinion of the Pakistani chain of command. Perhaps you should investigate how Op Gibraltar (1965) and Op Koh e Paima (1999) were launched before making such claims. But that is going off topic.

I am aware of those. But when India and Pakistan DGMOs agreed to something during wars multiple times, that was the end of it! Chain of command.
Anyway, it is offtopic.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

After 9/11, Pakistan had faced the 'stone age' threat and Pakistan was a declared nuclear power three years before. What did Pakistan do? Played along, bide its time, and today's Pakistan is militarily, economically, diplomatically much stronger than it was 25 years ago.
Smart, long term geopolitics --which, I dare say, the Iranians are only beginning to learn from their only real friend and the veterans of geopolitics: Pakistan!

We have a well-known Persian proverb:
“One does not bandage a head that does not ache.”
In other words, we do not impose additional sanctions upon ourselves when there is no necessity. However, when the appropriate time arrives, we take all necessary actions.
Hossein Shariatmadari, a figure closely affiliated with the hardline core of the regime, stated several years ago that Iran would attack israhell. At the time, many did not believe his words. Yet today, Iran has conducted four attacks on zionist regime and struck its major cities and the war still continues.

The same individual remarked a few days ago that Seyyed Mojtaba Khamenei may soon issue an order (or a fatwa) about nukes, which many are anticipating, as Iran’s conditions have significantly changed compared to the years 2001–2003 and we are fighting against two nuclear states

And prepare against them whatever you are able of power [8:60] 60th verse of Surah Al-Anfal

حسین شریعتمداری: فاصله ما با سلاح اتمی اراده است و نه تکنولوژی

حسین شریعتمداری، مدیرمسئول روزنامه کیهان، با بیان اینکه «فاصله ایران با تولید سلاح اتمی، فاصله‌ای تکنولوژیک نیست بلکه ارادی است»، گفت: جمهوری اسلامی دانش و توان فنی ساخت سلاح هسته‌ای را دارد، اما اکنون بر اساس حکم رهبر شهید از تولید آن منع شده و هرگونه تغییر در این تصمیم به نظر رهبر معظم انقلاب دارد

tejaratnews.com

Hossein Shariatmadari, the managing editor of Kayhan newspaper, stated that “the gap between Iran and the production of nuclear weapons is not a technological one, but a voluntary one.” He added:
“The Islamic Republic possesses the knowledge and technical capability to manufacture nuclear weapons. However, it is currently prohibited from doing so based on the decree of the martyred Leader [Imam Khamenei]. Any change in this decision rests with the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Seyyed Mojtaba Khamenei.”

 

[MS Sandhu]

After 9/11, Pakistan had faced the 'stone age' threat and Pakistan was a declared nuclear power three years before. What did Pakistan do? Played along, bide its time, and today's Pakistan is militarily, economically, diplomatically much stronger than it was 25 years ago.
Smart, long term geopolitics --which, I dare say, the Iranians are only beginning to learn from their only real friend and the veterans of geopolitics: Pakistan!

If US again threatens Pakistan, what you think will be the response of Pakistan?
I bet they will still play along since Pakistan is much more volatile today than it was 20 years ago.
If US and Israel genuinely start destabilizing Pakistan, there are so many faultlines here that it will be crushed into statelets without firing a single bullet.

Iran, a state with legacy of thousands of years, is so conveniently choked politically, economically & militarily.
Pakistan may look powerful on paper but deep down, its a wounded state barely able to function.