Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[MS Sandhu]

After 9/11, Pakistan had faced the 'stone age' threat and Pakistan was a declared nuclear power three years before. What did Pakistan do? Played along, bide its time, and today's Pakistan is militarily, economically, diplomatically much stronger than it was 25 years ago.
Smart, long term geopolitics --which, I dare say, the Iranians are only beginning to learn from their only real friend and the veterans of geopolitics: Pakistan!

If US again threatens Pakistan, what you think will be the response of Pakistan?
I bet they will still play along since Pakistan is much more volatile today than it was 20 years ago.
If US and Israel genuinely start destabilizing Pakistan, there are so many faultlines here that it will be crushed into statelets without firing a single bullet.

Iran, a state with legacy of thousands of years, is so conveniently choked politically, economically & militarily.
Pakistan may look powerful on paper but deep down, its a wounded state barely able to function.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

If US again threatens Pakistan, what you think will be the response of Pakistan?
I bet they will still play along since Pakistan is much more volatile today than it was 20 years ago.
If US and Israel genuinely start destabilizing Pakistan, there are so many faultlines here that it will be crushed into statelets without firing a single bullet.

Iran, a state with legacy of thousands of years, is so conveniently choked politically, economically & militarily.
Pakistan may look powerful on paper but deep down, its a wounded state barely able to function.

I am not aware on any direct attempts by the US to intentionally destabilize Pakistan.

Now, if you wish to argue that US policies sometimes contributed to instability inside Pakistan, then yes, I am likely to agree with you.

 

[Meengla]

However, when the appropriate time arrives, we take all necessary actions.
Hossein Shariatmadari, a figure closely affiliated with the hardline core of the regime, stated several years ago that Iran would attack israel. At the time, many did not believe his words. Yet today, Iran has conducted four attacks on zionist regime and struck its major cities and the war still counties.
The same individual remarked a few days ago that Seyyed Mojtaba Khamenei may soon issue an order (or a fatwa) about nukes, which many are anticipating, as Iran’s conditions have significantly changed compared to the years 2001–2003 and we are fighting against two nuclear states

Iran has only attacked Israel directly as retaliations.
As for the Iranian nukes: That train left a long time ago with the Fatwa. Unless I don't know something, it is not just bringing to 90% enrichment but also credible delivery mechanism to go thousands of miles. It is not like N. Korea destroying the Americans, the South Korean, and the Japanese in N.K's vicinity.

If US again threatens Pakistan, what you think will be the response of Pakistan?
I bet they will still play along since Pakistan is much more volatile today than it was 20 years ago.
If US and Israel genuinely start destabilizing Pakistan, there are so many faultlines here that it will be crushed into statelets without firing a single bullet.

Offtopic but Pakistan will again play along. And why not? There is no geopolitical conflict of interest between Pakistan and America. There had never been! The only potential conflict could be Pakistan vs Israel.
But I think the Pakistan of 2026 is far more potent than the Pakistan of 2001.

 

[MS Sandhu]

I am not aware on any direct attempts by the US to intentionally destabilize Pakistan.

Now, if you wish to argue that US policies sometimes contributed to instability inside Pakistan, then yes, I am likely to agree with you.

There was "IF" in that sentence

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

There was "IF" in that sentence

Do you want to argue it then or not?

Did you not start your very own post off with "IF"? Why yes, yes you did:



You evidently like to ask a lot of "ifs". Not much in the way of "when" however.

 

[Flotilla]

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Third impact identified at US Air Base in Jordan

It now appears that Iran's strikes used 10 ballistic missiles and destroyed 3 separate hangars at the US base > 1000km away with extreme precision. Although Jordan claimed it intercepted 8/8 missiles.

I told you Irán in the coming days show which level of harm and pain can inflict Islamic Republic to their enemies.

 

[Meengla]

I am not aware on any direct attempts by the US to intentionally destabilize Pakistan.
Now, if you wish to argue that US policies sometimes contributed to instability inside Pakistan, then yes, I am likely to agree with you.

Aghh. We are getting into off topic territory but... It was not the blockade of the American Arms shipment to Pakistan during the Pak-India 1965 war, it was not the American fleet not coming to rescue Pakistan during the 1971 Pak-India war, it was not even the Pressler Amendment imposed on Pakistan over Pakistan's nukes in 1990--just after the Soviets left Afghanistan-- but it was in early 2010s when the Pak-America relations were the worst.

The Americans wanted Pakistanis to play the ball to give primacy to India regionally, which Pakistanis had refused: A forceful Pakistani involvement on the side of the Quisling regime of Ashraf Ghani against the Taliban would have crushed the Afghan Taliban resistance for decades to come, thus giving the Americans a reliable, strategic foothold in the region.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran privately told Trump advisers "they made a mistake" in shooting at ships in Strait of Hormuz​

Iranian officials privately told Trump advisers that they made a mistake in shooting at commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz, that the attacks stemmed from an "errant" sect of hardliners who are trying to undermine negotiations, and that they want to keep talking, senior U.S. officials said on Friday.

Iran privately told Trump advisers "they made a mistake" in shooting at ships in Strait of Hormuz

The White House wants Iran to publicly acknowledge that shooting at the ships was a mistake.

www.cbsnews.com

It is a bit childish to downgrade the iranian strategy just accusing hardliners with the attack.
Let me do a vice-versa interpretation. US cannot effectively destroy or secure the Straits of Hormuz and therefore they try to downgrade the iranian strategy.

 

[ShotErrorKh]

Its becoming increasingly clear the negotiators are just gonna agree to everything, I have no hope left at all way to waste 40d of supremacy in 3 weeks of cuck talks

 

[ShotErrorKh]

That is unless the supreme leader himself gets involved which is also highly unlikely bros acting like hes in occultation

 

[BHAN85]

Here is the Trita Parsi video I was referring to. It is important to watch for its current status and for long term outlook anyway but it also addresses the Iranian over reaction. I don't think Trita's credentials about peace can be doubted.
Iran does have a problem of chain of command and centers of power.

I'm not sure but in worst case it would be about small weapons like shaheds.

You have concerns about what would happen if Iran develop nukes, but take as example a big weapon like long range ballistic missiles.

Nothing could be more uncontrollable in those supposed groups than hate to Israel.

But zero long range bm were launched against Israel in that uncontrolled way.

All Iran attacks against Israel were accurate retaliations.

So at least in big weapons like long range missiles, the Iranian chain of command seems to work fine.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Iran has only attacked Israel directly as retaliations.
As for the Iranian nukes: That train left a long time ago with the Fatwa. Unless I don't know something, it is not just bringing to 90% enrichment but also credible delivery mechanism to go thousands of miles. It is not like N. Korea destroying the Americans, the South Korean, and the Japanese in N.K's vicinity.



Offtopic but Pakistan will again play along. And why not? There is no geopolitical conflict of interest between Pakistan and America. There had never been! The only potential conflict could be Pakistan vs Israel.
But I think the Pakistan of 2026 is far more potent than the Pakistan of 2001.

Your information is outdated

Go check this website:

Iran | Countries | Reports | Institute For Science And International Security

isis-online.org

BTW there is difference between Iran and Pakistan

Pakistan and USA are allies

But Iran and USA are enemies because of zions

 

[PK781]

No hit on USN ships so far?

no guts or no capability?? still wanting a deal with america ??

Not sure at this time........maybe iranians can clear this

 

[Meengla]

Your information is outdated
Go check this website

Iran | Countries | Institute For Science And International Security

isis-online.org

BTW there is difference between Iran and Pakistan
Pakistan and USA are allies
But Iran and USA are enemies because of zions

I don't know the point of the link you sent? If it is about Iran's scientific knowledge, then no contest. I admire how quickly the Iranians fixed up their destroyed infra from this war--something the Pakistanis, shamefully, would be still struggling with.
As for America and Pakistan: They are 'frenemies'. Sort of like China-America have been!!

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

I don't know the point of the link you sent? If it is about Iran's scientific knowledge, then no contest. I admire how quickly the Iranians fixed up their destroyed infra from this war--something the Pakistanis, shamefully, would be still struggling with.
As for America and Pakistan: They are 'frenemies'. Sort of like China-America have been!!

I'll speak with you later. I'm taking some rest time now. Hope you have a nice time