Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

They aren’t hitting power plants. These are minor harassment attacks that can be quickly repaired. Plus Iran has one of the most diverse electrical grids in the Middle East. It’s not reliant on a single plant.

The U.S. still hasn’t escalated to hitting energy facilities or major bridges because they fear strikes on UAE and Saudi and Kuwaiti energy sites

The news that they have hit power grid in Kish has been confirmed by the Iranian media.

See what Chamran said to a journalist today. He said that they had to restart daily electricity cuts in Tehran because the US had hit several power nodes in the last 2 days.

The grid is stable because our power grid is very well integrated but how long can it stay stable if the US continues to hit different power stations and major nodes?

 

[VCheng]

Once our vital civilian infrastructure is hit, millions of Iranians will be forced to leave Iran.

War causes only temporary disruptions. There is no way 93 million Iranians can or will leave. The few millions who might will come back once peace returns.

You are lucky that you are fighting with incompetent Mullahs. Any competent nation would've dealt with your existential threats very differently. If it were up to me, we wouldn't have reached this stage at all because I would've sold everything we had to acquire nukes. But if we had reached this stage, the USN had already been attacked by tactical nukes and I would've passed the message to you that if you nuked us, I would nuke Tel Aviv, Haifa and Arab oil infrastructure in return.

All hypothetical Sir. Unless we believe the fantastic claims of many here that Iran already has ICBMs and nuclear weapons stashed away somewhere, we can assume that Iran does not have either capability, and perhaps unlikely to acquire them anytime soon, to be effective for this current war.

 

[ShapurII]

War causes only temporary disruptions. There is no way 93 million Iranians can or will leave. The few millions who might will come back once peace returns.

How many Iraqis left after the US invasion of Iraq? Iraq had 23 million residents at the time. I remember the UN said the population of the Iraqi diaspora was 4-5 million or so, many of them left after the war and some of them returned to Iraq after Saddam was toppled.

Do you think people can continue to live in Iran if our civilian infrastructure is destroyed?

All hypothetical Sir. Unless we believe the fantastic claims of many here that Iran already has ICBMs and nuclear weapons stashed away somewhere, we can assume that Iran does not have either capability, and perhaps unlikely to acquire them anytime soon, to be effective for this current war.

Unfortunately, Iran does not have nukes or ICBMs. We don't need ICBMs though. We have the best collaterals right here next to us: Israel and Arab energy resources.
And I agree that it is unlikely to acquire them soon, which is why my statement started with "You're lucky that you're fighting with incompetent Mullahs".

 

[VCheng]

When we are dealing with such existential threats, and see US strikes on our schools, bridges, electrical and water facilities, we cannot afford to hope it is a bluff. We have to take it seriously, as any nation would.

Again, a fair comment. Which then brings me back to my previous comments repeated many times already:

Iran has every right to fight back as best as it can, with all the resources available to it.

If not now, then when? What strategy would require any constraints at this stage of the war? Inexplicable, to me at least.

 

[VCheng]

How many Iraqis left after the US invasion of Iraq? Iraq had 23 million residents at the time.

According to most sources, at the peak, 2.3 million external refugees in adjoining countries, and about 4 million internally displaced, so about 27% altogether. 90% of the people remained within the country.

The larger the population (Iran is nearly four times larger), the lesser the percentage, statistically speaking.

 

[ShapurII]

According to most sources, at the peak, 2.3 million external refugees in adjoining countries, and about 4 million internally displaced, so about 27% altogether. 90% of the people remained within the country.

The larger the population (Iran is nearly four times larger), the lesser the percentage, statistically speaking.

OK. Let's say that 10% of Iranians are displaced. That's 9 million people, would be the biggest immigration crisis of the century. And even that is an underestimation because Iraq didn't have all of its vital civilian infrastructure destroyed by a genocidal maniac.

Even George Bush didn't talk about wiping a civilization off the map.

 

[BigMela2onin]

According to most sources, at the peak, 2.3 million external refugees in adjoining countries, and about 4 million internally displaced, so about 27% altogether. 90% of the people remained within the country.

The larger the population (Iran is nearly four times larger), the lesser the percentage, statistically speaking.

This is what I'm talking about you being malicious. You are hand waving away the displacement of millions (who will go where btw) solely because the American people voted to be led by a thug (in your own words) twice, one who has openly said he wants to wipe out Iranian civilization so he can take the oil. You are just dismissing that scale of human misery as if it's nothing.

 

[tsunset]

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[030292]

They are probably out of all the interceptors hence so many videos surfacing of direct hits on american bases, now is the time to escalate.

Interceptor manufacturers appear to be struggling to meet the needs of both ukraine and middle east due already diminished western manufacturing on top of rare earths blockade by china.

Trumpy is escalating to de-escalate

 

[tsunset]

They are probably out of all the interceptors hence so many videos surfacing of direct hits on american bases, now is the time to escalate.

Interceptor manufacturers appear to be struggling to meet the needs of both ukraine and middle east due already diminished western manufacturing on top of rare earths blockade by china.

Iran will probably agree to a ceasefire instead of continuing

 

[ShapurII]

They are probably out of all the interceptors hence so many videos surfacing of direct hits on american bases, now is the time to escalate.

Interceptor manufacturers appear to be struggling to meet the needs of both ukraine and middle east due already diminished western manufacturing on top of rare earths blockade by china.

The problem is that our missiles are hitting their targets but we do not know how to reestablish deterrence. The US doesn't care about getting its bases in Bahrain and Kuwait pounded.