Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

I would not get too excited. Half the Democrats and every republican except the one who was primaried, voted for the bill. This is what AIPAC's strength on the Hill was before the events of the last few years as well. The Dems who voted no are merely responding to the anti Israel sentiment because of an unpopular Mr Netanyahu in an election year.

Actually, the defeat of the US Spending Bill when a war is going is not something ordinary and analysts have noted that. The NO voters have taken a risk. Also, there is a clear trend among the Democrats to increasingly vote against Israel. In the Gaza War, 19 Dem. Senators voted to block arms sales to Israel. During this war, 38 have done so. And then there are other trends.
You can't just brush aside the opinions of many analysts, of NY Times articles about the changing direction of winds in America as just political expedience. Anyway, wait till a progressive Democrat occupies the office next time.

 

[VCheng]

Gulf nations are shitting bricks expecting Iranian attacks against vital infrastructure.

That is only a natural byproduct of the decades old Iran-against-all the-GCC-States policies that have been practiced in the region.

There is now an increasing sense of the need to solve the problems this has caused once and for all behind the scenes, no matter what words are put out for public consumption.

 

[Flotilla]

That worked very well, until it didn't. What happened in Gaza and the West Bank is a tragic recent example of that change in tactics.

Don't whitewash the reality. There is a plan to decimate and then expel all Gaza population. If you want to kill 500.000 people you can do It bombing hospitals, starving them and just let them slowly die by hunger and diseases.

The inclusion of Israelí Genocidal politics in this campaign just for whitewashing the Genocide makes you hateful. Excuse me.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

So the other coastal states to the same body of water have no rights?

Many would vehemently disagree. Making such a claim will simply not work, no matter how often repeated.

It's the spoil of war. It will belong to whoever is stronger and fights for it.

 

[VCheng]

It's the spoil of war. It will belong to whoever is stronger and fights for it.

Thank you for saying that so clearly. Whomever wins the war gets the spoils. Fair enough for me, too.

 

[Nawnaw1]

So the other coastal states to the same body of water have no rights?

Many would vehemently disagree. Making such a claim will simply not work, no matter how often repeated.

Not when they're fake sheikhdoms and slaves of the west. They don't have rights under the US and won't have them under Iranian leadership in the region. Why is this hard to understand?

 

[VCheng]

Not when they're fake sheikhdoms and slaves of the west.

So what happens if the other side makes the same argument against Iran as being a fake theocracy and hence illegitimate? See, others can play the same game too.

 

[BHAN85]

Military, economic or technological threats are not the only threats Iran is the enemy of Israel and Israel controlled US. There is an important factor people remove from the equation which plays a crucial role in the heads of US and Israeli leaders namely, ideology. The Zionist entity and Christo-Zionists in US believe in the destruction of Iran to establish the greater Israel and return of Messiah. They are trying to fulfill a prophecy by dividing and destroying Iran. Friend or Foe, they will go for it.

• Destruction of military strength: “I will break the bow of Elam, the foremost of their might” (Jeremiah 49:35), symbolizing the collapse of Elam’s military power
• Scattering of the people: The prophecy states that Elam’s exiles will be dispersed to all nations, indicating a comprehensive exile (Jeremiah 49:36)
• Overthrow of leadership: God declares He will destroy the king and princes and set His throne in Elam, emphasizing divine authority over human rulers (Jeremiah 49:37–38)

They believe the current Iran is a continuation of the old Elam and they want to destroy it.

Christian Zionists are concerned about gog and Magog prophecies, but those prophecies are not related to Iran, it's about Russia invading Israel.

By the other side, a Persian king, Cyrus the great, it's the only gentile called anointed one in Bible, who freed Jewish people from Babylon captivity.

I know religion topics are not allowed here.
But some people can take advantage of Jewish and Christian prophecies to create war narratives. So it's good to know a minimum about it.

 

[Flotilla]

So the other coastal states to the same body of water have no rights?

Many would vehemently disagree. Making such a claim will simply not work, no matter how often repeated.

They have.

But they decided to create with US a South corridor that is just the countrary, a way to deny iranians rights.

Again you're manipulating.

 

[OldTwilight]

Well , attacking infrastructures is easy , we should demolish their military infrastructures for now

 

[RescueRanger]

Direction	Traffic Percentage	Destination
8 Inbound	████████░░ (44%)	Cangjie, Starway, Ascanios, etc.
10 Outbound	██████████ (56%)	Cangjie, Starway, Ascanios, etc

Table extracted from ship finder and Claude used to prepare table;


Data source used: https://www.shipfinder.com/special/hormuz

 

[Nawnaw1]

So what happens if the other side makes the same argument against Iran as being a fake theocracy and hence illegitimate? See, others can play the same game too.

The ruling class of a country derives legitimacy from being put there by another power, versus grabbing power and withstanding the heaviest of possible outside pressures for 50 years running. There is your answer.

 

[RescueRanger]

Iranian VIP Flight now airborne:

 

[VCheng]

But they decided to create with US a South corridor that is just the countrary, a way to deny iranians rights.

What "rights" does Iran have within Omani coastal waters?

 

[RescueRanger]

Callsign CNV5476 |HEX: AE04D& | Boeing C-40A Clipper | tail number 165829 - Currently enroute to Bahrain.

The C-40A clipper is essentially a flying bus used by the US Navy to move troops around.