Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Indos said:
I dont think so, Iran is a threat due to its potency to grow economically and technologically

It is always in the interest of Israel and its people in the US to dream weakening Iran forever

Heck, even small country like Singapore keep talking negative about Indonesian economy through their CNA Asia, The Strait Times, The Fulcrum, etc that help make negative sentiment about Indonesian economy. More like they dream 1997/98 economic crisis to happen again because it is triggered by negative sentiment in stock and money market. Something that is later against projection from respected institutions like ADB, IMF, S&P

Stronger Indonesia is always a threat to its neighbor despite we are not lead by aggressive leader like Soekarno anymore

That is a geopolitical reality
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Not necessarily. Turkey is not a threat, Saudi Arabia is not a threat, Imperial Iran wasn't a threat, Japan which has been historically much more successful than Iran in modern times is not a threat. Germany which attempted to rule over entire Europe twice is not a threat. Why should a US-allied Iran be a threat? That's a claim without any historical backup or proof.

Indos said:
FPDA—not fade away​


21 Oct 2014
|Euan Graham


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Dubbed the ‘quiet achiever’ by Carl Thayer, the FPDA’s low profile belies a brisk tempo of multinational air, naval, land and command-post exercises held regularly under its auspices among Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Boilerplate-text aside, Australia’s 2013 White Paper was surprisingly effusive on the Five Power arrangements, noting that membership ‘provides Australia with a strategically important presence in Southeast Asia that augments bilateral and other multilateral engagement’.

Indonesia’s still the most important external factor bearing upon the FPDA. Although not officially acknowledged, the FPDA was created in the shadow of Confrontation as the successor to the Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement, to provide a non-binding level of deterrence to Malaysia and Singapore against the return of Indonesian demagoguery (the arrangement obliges parties simply to consult in case of external attack on the Peninsula).

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As Canberra has embraced Indonesia’s post-Soeharto democratisation, and pursued a bilateral compact with Jakarta as its strategic priority in Southeast Asia, so the FPDA has lost some of its lustre for Australia. Singapore and Malaysia view their larger neighbour with continuing caution and are less sanguine about the prospects for defence engagement. That explains the continuing strong support for the FPDA in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, even as their own improving relationship has rendered the arrangements less important as a conduit for managing cross-Causeway tensions.

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Three years ago the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) celebrated its 40th birthday, an anniversary that sparked a flutter of international curiosity about this most eclectic of regional security frameworks. By way of animal analogy, ...
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You have to insert Indonesia in everything, right? lol
 
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Persian Gulf said:
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Artesh seems to have better target selection, considering their limited resources.

I'm surprised that Iran hasn't hit more fuel depots, communication systems and maintenance buildings. Also, we shouldn't spare the Emirates and Qatar so easily.
 
Trump might be talking shit but on his fox news interview he said usa soldiers won't likely be used as ground campaign but he has others who will.

Who are these others? Kurds? Azeris? Baloch?
 
Mav3rick said:
The only possible explanation is that there are rogue elements in Iranaian Military Establishment which are not in favour of the MoU. Because there was absolutely no reason to attack the 3 ships which kickstarted all this fighting. Everything was going well, things were eventually leading to a stable region with Iran allowed to trade its oil, sanctions lifted and frozen assets released. And then some manman decided to derail it all by attacking 3 unarmed cargo ships in the strait of hormuz.
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You're not right.
They were travelling under the protection of US Navy (they lost a MH60S with a Commander inside) well before these attacks. And weeks before there were small attack just to remind that South corridor is designed to void the Iranians rights on the MOU.
 
ShapurII said:
Not necessarily. Turkey is not a threat, Saudi Arabia is not a threat, Imperial Iran wasn't a threat, Japan which has been historically much more successful than Iran in modern times is not a threat. Germany which attempted to rule over entire Europe twice is not a threat. Why should a US-allied Iran be a threat? That's a claim without any historical backup or proof.
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Military, economic or technological threats are not the only threats Iran is the enemy of Israel and Israel controlled US. There is an important factor people remove from the equation which plays a crucial role in the heads of US and Israeli leaders namely, ideology. The Zionist entity and Christo-Zionists in US believe in the destruction of Iran to establish the greater Israel and return of Messiah. They are trying to fulfill a prophecy by dividing and destroying Iran. Friend or Foe, they will go for it.

  • Destruction of military strength: “I will break the bow of Elam, the foremost of their might” (Jeremiah 49:35), symbolizing the collapse of Elam’s military power
  • Scattering of the people: The prophecy states that Elam’s exiles will be dispersed to all nations, indicating a comprehensive exile (Jeremiah 49:36)
  • Overthrow of leadership: God declares He will destroy the king and princes and set His throne in Elam, emphasizing divine authority over human rulers (Jeremiah 49:37–38)

They believe the current Iran is a continuation of the old Elam and they want to destroy it.
 
retaxis said:
Trump might be talking shit but on his fox news interview he said usa soldiers won't likely be used as ground campaign but he has others who will.

Who are these others? Kurds? Azeris? Baloch?
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I Think Kurds Ahwazi Arabs and Baloch.Maybe Banking Upon Ethnic Minority Regions Carving Out Puppet States Along Vital Coastal Areas To Neutralize Iran's Ability To Control Hormuz.

That May Be Their Thinking But Any Such Move Might Trigger Pakistani and Turkish Intervention
 
Samlee said:
I Think Kurds Ahwazi Arabs and Baloch.Maybe Banking Upon Ethnic Minority Regions Carving Out Puppet States Along Vital Coastal Areas To Neutralize Iran's Ability To Control Hormuz.

That May Be Their Thinking But Any Such Move Might Trigger Pakistani and Turkish Intervention
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Yes a lot to go wrong and blow up ethnic tensions and even more war spilling over into Turkey, Azerbaijan and Iraq if trump does this.
 
The USAF would need 10 air forces to give so called close air support over the entire iranian southern coast, especially with their land bases not being able to be freely used. this is all a pipe dream. zero evidence on the ground.
 
Cateusm said:
Military, economic or technological threats are not the only threats Iran is the enemy of Israel and Israel controlled US. There is an important factor people remove from the equation which plays a crucial role in the heads of US and Israeli leaders namely, ideology. The Zionist entity and Christo-Zionists in US believe in the destruction of Iran to establish the greater Israel and return of Messiah. They are trying to fulfill a prophecy by dividing and destroying Iran. Friend or Foe, they will go for it.

  • Destruction of military strength: “I will break the bow of Elam, the foremost of their might” (Jeremiah 49:35), symbolizing the collapse of Elam’s military power
  • Scattering of the people: The prophecy states that Elam’s exiles will be dispersed to all nations, indicating a comprehensive exile (Jeremiah 49:36)
  • Overthrow of leadership: God declares He will destroy the king and princes and set His throne in Elam, emphasizing divine authority over human rulers (Jeremiah 49:37–38)

They believe the current Iran is a continuation of the old Elam and they want to destroy it.
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What a load of nonsense. Iran was Israel's partner just 47 years ago and Iran was the world's 12th economy at the time. You guys talk like people have forgotten how things were just 5 decades ago. Maybe this sort of biblical nonsense can fool some people 2 centuries later, but not now.
 
C17 left Edwards AFB now approaching London Control via Shannon (Ireland)
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This C17 is worth watching given the current tempo of the conflict.
 
Watandar said:
I think hitting a moving target is far more difficult than hitting a fixed point. These ships can move very fast esp at flank speed. Ballistic missiles are completely useless against moving targets anyway.
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There is one catch though... everytime they've used up their compliment of interceptors... they have to make the long journey back.
 
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