Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

No, it is not because it offers Iran absolutely nothing. There is no point in giving the US all those concessions if Iran is not going to be given any sort of economic relief.


That's not a good idea either. Why should Iran let the US suffocate it and do nothing? Makes no sense. The US was already violating the MoU before Iran decided to attack oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz. Also, the MoU was never meant to translate into a permanent deal for the reasons I have stated. It was meant to be used for buying time for both sides and drain some economic pressure that was building up.


The current issue is not whether Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz or not in the future. That's a distraction from the real issue. The real issue is that the US wants regime change at minimal cost. The US wants a regime in Iran that is not ideologically determined to create problems for Israel, and the Islamic Republic is trying to reach a deal similar to JCPOA 2.0 with the US, which is impossible because they do not have the cards anymore.

Regime change in Iran is just PR to US public and international community. What their real target is weakening Iran and bomb Iran nuclear capability. They have already done that.

Israel wants to keep Iran with current regime, just like Israel support the emergence of Hamas to kick PLO (that is supported by international community) out of Gaza and to radicalize Palestinian in both Gaza and West Bank. It is a good strategy against weak adversary under current geopolitial context where Western nations lead by Democratic system need good context to keep supporting Israel

Current regime is more likely to isolate Iranian and stop Iran economic growth.

Now we have Iran with leader has personal wound with US, I hope his thinking can outpower his emotional drives.
 
As Jd Vance said , the deal was for USA to re-stock weapons and oil , they didn't have plans to honor it any way
And you had to give them the reason to start all over again? It was Iran and not the US which is at fault for all the latest fighting as it was Iran which attacked 3 cargo ships for no reason at all. And that too when Iran had secured an MoU which was a major victory for Iran. Now, we are back to square 1.
 
I think hitting a moving target is far more difficult than hitting a fixed point. These ships can move very fast esp at flank speed. Ballistic missiles are completely useless against moving targets anyway.
They have hypersonic anti ship missiles from china. And cruise missiles as well.
 
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India tells shipowners not to deploy Indian seafarers on Hormuz routes​

The Directorate General of Shipping in India has told shipowners, ship managers and recruitment companies “to avoid deploying Indian seafarers on vessels undertaking voyages through the Strait of Hormuz until further orders”.

The order came after two Indian sailors were killed in Iranian attacks on two ships in and around the Strait of Hormuz this week.

“In view of the heightened security situation in the Persian Gulf region … the Directorate considers it necessary to adopt enhanced precautionary measures to safeguard the interests of Indian seafarers serving on board ships operating in the region,” the order added.

The UN said last month that at least 14 seafarers had been killed in attacks in and around the Strait of Hormuz since February 28, when the US-Israel war on Iran began. They include three Indian crew members who were killed in a US attack on the Settebello oil tanker off the coast of Oman on June 9.

Source: Al Jazeera
 
And you had to give them the reason to start all over again? It was Iran and not the US which is at fault for all the latest fighting as it was Iran which attacked 3 cargo ships for no reason at all. And that too when Iran had secured an MoU which was a major victory for Iran. Now, we are back to square 1.
Strait of Hormuz belongs to Iran

It's Iran's right to close it when it is attacked for by the US and it's allies
 
The only possible explanation is that there are rogue elements in Iranaian Military Establishment which are not in favour of the MoU. Because there was absolutely no reason to attack the 3 ships which kickstarted all this fighting. Everything was going well, things were eventually leading to a stable region with Iran allowed to trade its oil, sanctions lifted and frozen assets released. And then some manman decided to derail it all by attacking 3 unarmed cargo ships in the strait of hormuz.

More likely due to this reasons :

1. They are Mossad infiltrated.
2. They are stupid and emotional driven guys
 
Regime change in Iran is just PR to US public and international community. What their real target is weakening Iran and bomb Iran nuclear capability. They have already done that.
There is no reason for weakening Iran if Iran can no longer pose a threat to the US or Israel. If anything, a US-controlled Iran can play a positive role in the region for the US, by counterbalancing the Arab and Turkish influence and also limiting the Chinese influence in the Middle East. It was the case during the Shah with the Soviets and I don't think why it is no longer a good thing for the US to have Iran on its side.

Israel wants to keep Iran with current regime, just like Israel support the emergence of Hamas to kick PLO (that is supported by international community) out of Gaza and to radicalize Palestinian in both Gaza and West Bank. It is a good strategy against weak adversary under current geopolitial context where Western nations lead by Democratic system need good context to keep supporting Israel
Apples and oranges. Hamas is a militia group with at most 100K personnel, half of which have already been killed since October 7, Iran is a nation of 90 million people with vast energy resources. Oil, natural gas, helium, even large area of maximum sun exposure for electricity production.

Current regime is more likely to isolate Iranian and stop Iran economic growth.
Yes, but it is not that great for the US either. Isolating a market of 90 million people with the world's 3rd largest oil reserves and 2nd largest natural gas reserves and handing it over to China completely, the US main adversary and the only country capable of challenging the US in the future, isn't really the greatest strategy in the long term. Iran's isolation comes at a cost for the US, which is why the US is finally acting militarily.

Now we have Iran with leader has personal wound with US, I hope his thinking can outpower his emotional drives.
I doubt if Mojtaba is even a real person at this point. We haven't seen a video of him after 4 months and nobody seems to care what he says.
 
Everything was going well, things were eventually leading to a stable region with Iran allowed to trade its oil, sanctions lifted and frozen assets released. And then some manman decided to derail it all by attacking 3 unarmed cargo ships in the strait of hormuz.

This narrative of what happened is totally separated from reality.
 
There is no reason for weakening Iran if Iran can no longer pose a threat to the US or Israel. If anything, a US-controlled Iran can play a positive role in the region for the US, by counterbalancing the Arab and Turkish influence and also limiting the Chinese influence in the Middle East. It was the case during the Shah with the Soviets and I don't think why it is no longer a good thing for the US to have Iran on its side.

I dont think so, Iran is a threat due to its potency to grow economically and technologically

It is always in the interest of Israel and its people in the US to dream weakening Iran forever

Heck, even small country like Singapore keep talking negative about Indonesian economy through their CNA Asia, The Strait Times, The Fulcrum, etc that help make negative sentiment about Indonesian economy. More like they dream 1997/98 economic crisis to happen again because it is triggered by negative sentiment in stock and money market. Something that is later against projection from respected institutions like ADB, IMF, S&P

Stronger Indonesia is always a threat to its neighbor despite we are not lead by aggressive leader like Soekarno anymore

That is a geopolitical reality

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FPDA—not fade away


21 Oct 2014
|Euan Graham


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Dubbed the ‘quiet achiever’ by Carl Thayer, the FPDA’s low profile belies a brisk tempo of multinational air, naval, land and command-post exercises held regularly under its auspices among Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Boilerplate-text aside, Australia’s 2013 White Paper was surprisingly effusive on the Five Power arrangements, noting that membership ‘provides Australia with a strategically important presence in Southeast Asia that augments bilateral and other multilateral engagement’.

Indonesia’s still the most important external factor bearing upon the FPDA. Although not officially acknowledged, the FPDA was created in the shadow of Confrontation as the successor to the Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement, to provide a non-binding level of deterrence to Malaysia and Singapore against the return of Indonesian demagoguery (the arrangement obliges parties simply to consult in case of external attack on the Peninsula).

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As Canberra has embraced Indonesia’s post-Soeharto democratisation, and pursued a bilateral compact with Jakarta as its strategic priority in Southeast Asia, so the FPDA has lost some of its lustre for Australia. Singapore and Malaysia view their larger neighbour with continuing caution and are less sanguine about the prospects for defence engagement. That explains the continuing strong support for the FPDA in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, even as their own improving relationship has rendered the arrangements less important as a conduit for managing cross-Causeway tensions.

 

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