Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

The only possible explanation is that there are rogue elements in Iranaian Military Establishment which are not in favour of the MoU. Because there was absolutely no reason to attack the 3 ships which kickstarted all this fighting. Everything was going well, things were eventually leading to a stable region with Iran allowed to trade its oil, sanctions lifted and frozen assets released. And then some manman decided to derail it all by attacking 3 unarmed cargo ships in the strait of hormuz.

More likely due to this reasons :

1. They are Mossad infiltrated.
2. They are stupid and emotional driven guys
 
Regime change in Iran is just PR to US public and international community. What their real target is weakening Iran and bomb Iran nuclear capability. They have already done that.
There is no reason for weakening Iran if Iran can no longer pose a threat to the US or Israel. If anything, a US-controlled Iran can play a positive role in the region for the US, by counterbalancing the Arab and Turkish influence and also limiting the Chinese influence in the Middle East. It was the case during the Shah with the Soviets and I don't think why it is no longer a good thing for the US to have Iran on its side.

Israel wants to keep Iran with current regime, just like Israel support the emergence of Hamas to kick PLO (that is supported by international community) out of Gaza and to radicalize Palestinian in both Gaza and West Bank. It is a good strategy against weak adversary under current geopolitial context where Western nations lead by Democratic system need good context to keep supporting Israel
Apples and oranges. Hamas is a militia group with at most 100K personnel, half of which have already been killed since October 7, Iran is a nation of 90 million people with vast energy resources. Oil, natural gas, helium, even large area of maximum sun exposure for electricity production.

Current regime is more likely to isolate Iranian and stop Iran economic growth.
Yes, but it is not that great for the US either. Isolating a market of 90 million people with the world's 3rd largest oil reserves and 2nd largest natural gas reserves and handing it over to China completely, the US main adversary and the only country capable of challenging the US in the future, isn't really the greatest strategy in the long term. Iran's isolation comes at a cost for the US, which is why the US is finally acting militarily.

Now we have Iran with leader has personal wound with US, I hope his thinking can outpower his emotional drives.
I doubt if Mojtaba is even a real person at this point. We haven't seen a video of him after 4 months and nobody seems to care what he says.
 
Everything was going well, things were eventually leading to a stable region with Iran allowed to trade its oil, sanctions lifted and frozen assets released. And then some manman decided to derail it all by attacking 3 unarmed cargo ships in the strait of hormuz.

This narrative of what happened is totally separated from reality.
 
There is no reason for weakening Iran if Iran can no longer pose a threat to the US or Israel. If anything, a US-controlled Iran can play a positive role in the region for the US, by counterbalancing the Arab and Turkish influence and also limiting the Chinese influence in the Middle East. It was the case during the Shah with the Soviets and I don't think why it is no longer a good thing for the US to have Iran on its side.

I dont think so, Iran is a threat due to its potency to grow economically and technologically

It is always in the interest of Israel and its people in the US to dream weakening Iran forever

Heck, even small country like Singapore keep talking negative about Indonesian economy through their CNA Asia, The Strait Times, The Fulcrum, etc that help make negative sentiment about Indonesian economy. More like they dream 1997/98 economic crisis to happen again because it is triggered by negative sentiment in stock and money market. Something that is later against projection from respected institutions like ADB, IMF, S&P

Stronger Indonesia is always a threat to its neighbor despite we are not lead by aggressive leader like Soekarno anymore

That is a geopolitical reality

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FPDA—not fade away


21 Oct 2014
|Euan Graham


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Dubbed the ‘quiet achiever’ by Carl Thayer, the FPDA’s low profile belies a brisk tempo of multinational air, naval, land and command-post exercises held regularly under its auspices among Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Boilerplate-text aside, Australia’s 2013 White Paper was surprisingly effusive on the Five Power arrangements, noting that membership ‘provides Australia with a strategically important presence in Southeast Asia that augments bilateral and other multilateral engagement’.

Indonesia’s still the most important external factor bearing upon the FPDA. Although not officially acknowledged, the FPDA was created in the shadow of Confrontation as the successor to the Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement, to provide a non-binding level of deterrence to Malaysia and Singapore against the return of Indonesian demagoguery (the arrangement obliges parties simply to consult in case of external attack on the Peninsula).

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As Canberra has embraced Indonesia’s post-Soeharto democratisation, and pursued a bilateral compact with Jakarta as its strategic priority in Southeast Asia, so the FPDA has lost some of its lustre for Australia. Singapore and Malaysia view their larger neighbour with continuing caution and are less sanguine about the prospects for defence engagement. That explains the continuing strong support for the FPDA in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, even as their own improving relationship has rendered the arrangements less important as a conduit for managing cross-Causeway tensions.

 
I dont think so, Iran is a threat due to its potency to grow economically and technologically

It is always in the interest of Israel and its people in the US to dream weakening Iran forever

Heck, even small country like Singapore keep talking negative about Indonesian economy through their CNA Asia, The Strait Times, The Fulcrum, etc that help make negative sentiment about Indonesian economy. More like they dream 1997/98 economic crisis to happen again because it is triggered by negative sentiment in stock and money market. Something that is later against projection from respected institutions like ADB, IMF, S&P

Stronger Indonesia is always a threat to its neighbor despite we are not lead by aggressive leader like Soekarno anymore

That is a geopolitical reality
Not necessarily. Turkey is not a threat, Saudi Arabia is not a threat, Imperial Iran wasn't a threat, Japan which has been historically much more successful than Iran in modern times is not a threat. Germany which attempted to rule over entire Europe twice is not a threat. Why should a US-allied Iran be a threat? That's a claim without any historical backup or proof.

FPDA—not fade away


21 Oct 2014
|Euan Graham


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Dubbed the ‘quiet achiever’ by Carl Thayer, the FPDA’s low profile belies a brisk tempo of multinational air, naval, land and command-post exercises held regularly under its auspices among Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and the UK. Boilerplate-text aside, Australia’s 2013 White Paper was surprisingly effusive on the Five Power arrangements, noting that membership ‘provides Australia with a strategically important presence in Southeast Asia that augments bilateral and other multilateral engagement’.

Indonesia’s still the most important external factor bearing upon the FPDA. Although not officially acknowledged, the FPDA was created in the shadow of Confrontation as the successor to the Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement, to provide a non-binding level of deterrence to Malaysia and Singapore against the return of Indonesian demagoguery (the arrangement obliges parties simply to consult in case of external attack on the Peninsula).

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As Canberra has embraced Indonesia’s post-Soeharto democratisation, and pursued a bilateral compact with Jakarta as its strategic priority in Southeast Asia, so the FPDA has lost some of its lustre for Australia. Singapore and Malaysia view their larger neighbour with continuing caution and are less sanguine about the prospects for defence engagement. That explains the continuing strong support for the FPDA in Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, even as their own improving relationship has rendered the arrangements less important as a conduit for managing cross-Causeway tensions.


You have to insert Indonesia in everything, right? lol
 
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Artesh seems to have better target selection, considering their limited resources.

I'm surprised that Iran hasn't hit more fuel depots, communication systems and maintenance buildings. Also, we shouldn't spare the Emirates and Qatar so easily.
 
Trump might be talking shit but on his fox news interview he said usa soldiers won't likely be used as ground campaign but he has others who will.

Who are these others? Kurds? Azeris? Baloch?
 
The only possible explanation is that there are rogue elements in Iranaian Military Establishment which are not in favour of the MoU. Because there was absolutely no reason to attack the 3 ships which kickstarted all this fighting. Everything was going well, things were eventually leading to a stable region with Iran allowed to trade its oil, sanctions lifted and frozen assets released. And then some manman decided to derail it all by attacking 3 unarmed cargo ships in the strait of hormuz.
You're not right.
They were travelling under the protection of US Navy (they lost a MH60S with a Commander inside) well before these attacks. And weeks before there were small attack just to remind that South corridor is designed to void the Iranians rights on the MOU.
 

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