Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
Nevertheless, it does have an impact on the world economy. Not as much as it impacts the Iranian economy for sure, no doubt about that, but still, it does have a meaningful impact on the world economy.

However, what other option does Iran have? Iran has only two options in my opinion. Fight the fight or surrender. I personally think Iran will eventually surrender because the situation is not going well for Iran. But the truth is that any long-lasting peace that involves Iran's surrender will not be possible without normalizing our ties with the US, and most importantly, complete normalization with Israel, even if it happens behind the scenes.

It is simply impossible for Iran to reach a deal with the US without recognizing the Israeli dominance in the region. Everything that is a threat to Israel has to be surrendered, most importantly Iran's resistance groups. And that's a tough pill to swallow for the Iranian regime whose entire character in the region has been defined by anti-Israel sentiments since the beginning and defines its security through a network of useless militias instead of relying on more realistic means of deterrence and national security.
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The previous MOU deal (under US interpretation) is already good, that will bring peace to the region, Iran-US better relationship, and also US VP is already accusing Israel over sabotaging the MOU deal. That is all favor to Iran already.

I dont understand Iran attacking ship within Oman Hormuz corridor, just let the ship pass. It is like 7 October stupid Hamas attack when Netanyahu was about to be kicked out, the 7 October attack then give life to Netanyahu political power and destroy Gaza

Controlling the Hormuz should not be sticking point for Iran. The adversary is USA, not Gulf States.
 
Indos said:
The previous MOU deal (under US interpretation) is already good, that will bring peace to the region, Iran-US better relationship, and also US VP is already accusing Israel over sabotaging the MOU deal. That is all favor to Iran already.

I dont understand Iran attacking ship within Oman Hormuz corridor, just let the ship pass. It is like 7 October stupid Hamas attack when Netanyahu was about to be kicked out, the 7 October attack then give life to Netanyahu political power and destroy Gaza

Controlling the Hormuz should not be sticking point for Iran. The adversary is USA, not Gulf States.
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As Jd Vance said , the deal was for USA to re-stock weapons and oil , they didn't have plans to honor it any way
 
RescueRanger said:
With respect what are you even talking about US Aircraft have been taking off from Israel and drones from Jordan for the past 3 days.
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Yes I am talking about close targets

Like E3 awacs and refuelling tankers that were hit in Saudi

US has withdrawn from close proximity

Attacking Israel means a Israeli attack on Iran and I don’t think Iran wants that

Jordan has been hit but it’s not like it’s close to Iran like GCC
 
Indos said:
The previous MOU deal (under US interpretation) is already good, that will bring peace to the region, Iran-US better relationship, and also US VP is already accusing Israel over sabotaging the MOU deal. That is all favor to Iran already.
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No, it is not because it offers Iran absolutely nothing. There is no point in giving the US all those concessions if Iran is not going to be given any sort of economic relief.

Indos said:
I dont understand Iran attacking ship within Oman Hormuz corridor, just let the ship pass. It is like 7 October stupid Hamas attack when Netanyahu was about to be kicked out, the 7 October attack then give life to Netanyahu political power and destroy Gaza
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That's not a good idea either. Why should Iran let the US suffocate it and do nothing? Makes no sense. The US was already violating the MoU before Iran decided to attack oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz. Also, the MoU was never meant to translate into a permanent deal for the reasons I have stated. It was meant to be used for buying time for both sides and drain some economic pressure that was building up.

Indos said:
Controlling the Hormuz should not be sticking point for Iran. The adversary is USA, not Gulf States.
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The current issue is not whether Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz or not in the future. That's a distraction from the real issue. The real issue is that the US wants regime change at minimal cost. The US wants a regime in Iran that is not ideologically determined to create problems for Israel, and the Islamic Republic is trying to reach a deal similar to JCPOA 2.0 with the US, which is impossible because they do not have the cards anymore. So, the two sides want completely different things.

The Islamic Republic wants to remain the anti-Israel state that it is now and get sanctions relief like in the JCPOA, and the US wants to resolve the issue of regional security for Israel permanently. As long as the Islamic Republic refuses to address the issue of Israel's security and dominance, the US will not leave it alone.
 
Aziqbal said:
Yes I am talking about close targets

Like E3 awacs and refuelling tankers that were hit in Saudi

US has withdrawn from close proximity

Attacking Israel means a Israeli attack on Iran and I don’t think Iran wants that

Jordan has been hit but it’s not like it’s close to Iran like GCC
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There are USAF aircraft flying from Al Udied... I'm sorry but you are misinformed.

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Indos said:
The previous MOU deal (under US interpretation) is already good, that will bring peace to the region, Iran-US better relationship, and also US VP is already accusing Israel over sabotaging the MOU deal. That is all favor to Iran already.

I dont understand Iran attacking ship within Oman Hormuz corridor, just let the ship pass. It is like 7 October stupid Hamas attack when Netanyahu was about to be kicked out, the 7 October attack then give life to Netanyahu political power and destroy Gaza

Controlling the Hormuz should not be sticking point for Iran. The adversary is USA, not Gulf States.
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The only possible explanation is that there are rogue elements in Iranaian Military Establishment which are not in favour of the MoU. Because there was absolutely no reason to attack the 3 ships which kickstarted all this fighting. Everything was going well, things were eventually leading to a stable region with Iran allowed to trade its oil, sanctions lifted and frozen assets released. And then some manman decided to derail it all by attacking 3 unarmed cargo ships in the strait of hormuz.
 
ShapurII said:
No, it is not because it offers Iran absolutely nothing. There is no point in giving the US all those concessions if Iran is not going to be given any sort of economic relief.


That's not a good idea either. Why should Iran let the US suffocate it and do nothing? Makes no sense. The US was already violating the MoU before Iran decided to attack oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz. Also, the MoU was never meant to translate into a permanent deal for the reasons I have stated. It was meant to be used for buying time for both sides and drain some economic pressure that was building up.


The current issue is not whether Iran will control the Strait of Hormuz or not in the future. That's a distraction from the real issue. The real issue is that the US wants regime change at minimal cost. The US wants a regime in Iran that is not ideologically determined to create problems for Israel, and the Islamic Republic is trying to reach a deal similar to JCPOA 2.0 with the US, which is impossible because they do not have the cards anymore.
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Regime change in Iran is just PR to US public and international community. What their real target is weakening Iran and bomb Iran nuclear capability. They have already done that.

Israel wants to keep Iran with current regime, just like Israel support the emergence of Hamas to kick PLO (that is supported by international community) out of Gaza and to radicalize Palestinian in both Gaza and West Bank. It is a good strategy against weak adversary under current geopolitial context where Western nations lead by Democratic system need good context to keep supporting Israel

Current regime is more likely to isolate Iranian and stop Iran economic growth.

Now we have Iran with leader has personal wound with US, I hope his thinking can outpower his emotional drives.
 
OldTwilight said:
As Jd Vance said , the deal was for USA to re-stock weapons and oil , they didn't have plans to honor it any way
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And you had to give them the reason to start all over again? It was Iran and not the US which is at fault for all the latest fighting as it was Iran which attacked 3 cargo ships for no reason at all. And that too when Iran had secured an MoU which was a major victory for Iran. Now, we are back to square 1.
 
Watandar said:
I think hitting a moving target is far more difficult than hitting a fixed point. These ships can move very fast esp at flank speed. Ballistic missiles are completely useless against moving targets anyway.
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They have hypersonic anti ship missiles from china. And cruise missiles as well.
 
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India tells shipowners not to deploy Indian seafarers on Hormuz routes​

The Directorate General of Shipping in India has told shipowners, ship managers and recruitment companies “to avoid deploying Indian seafarers on vessels undertaking voyages through the Strait of Hormuz until further orders”.

The order came after two Indian sailors were killed in Iranian attacks on two ships in and around the Strait of Hormuz this week.

“In view of the heightened security situation in the Persian Gulf region … the Directorate considers it necessary to adopt enhanced precautionary measures to safeguard the interests of Indian seafarers serving on board ships operating in the region,” the order added.

The UN said last month that at least 14 seafarers had been killed in attacks in and around the Strait of Hormuz since February 28, when the US-Israel war on Iran began. They include three Indian crew members who were killed in a US attack on the Settebello oil tanker off the coast of Oman on June 9.

Source: Al Jazeera
 
Mav3rick said:
And you had to give them the reason to start all over again? It was Iran and not the US which is at fault for all the latest fighting as it was Iran which attacked 3 cargo ships for no reason at all. And that too when Iran had secured an MoU which was a major victory for Iran. Now, we are back to square 1.
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Strait of Hormuz belongs to Iran

It's Iran's right to close it when it is attacked for by the US and it's allies
 
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