Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

The Hillbilly Cowboy confederation will probably escalate tonight

 

[Flotilla]

"But Pickering is more focused on China than Iran. That's because China emerged as the so-called swing importer, cutting its world-leading oil imports by roughly 5 million barrels a day and leaning on its oil and fuel strategic reserves that also lead the world..."

Trump’s time is running out to avoid a nightmare Strait of Hormuz scenario | Fortune

Global oil flows remain stunted as stockpiles are depleted, and demand is set to rise again.

fortune.com

This should be a wake up call to Pakistani users who think China would ever challenge the U.S. under Xi. When Trump visited China this year in the midst of the war with Iran, “magically” Chinese oil imports dropped due to “economic reasons” to help the Western AND INDIA AND JAPAN cope with the energy crisis.

What did Trump offer Xi to get him to do that?

China helping it own enemies that will one day choke off China energy needs without a second thought if it means helping collapsing China.

Now China is starting to increase imports again. But it should not be lost on people how easily and quickly Xi helped America/Europe/India/Japan. This level of appeasement is embarrassing and was a hallmark of Putin relations with Europe/America from 2000-2020. And in the end what did Russia get out of it? Xi is making the same critical errors that Putin did.

Western appeasement never ends well.

That argument doesn't hold water. China might temporarily stop buying oil due to economic exigencies—likely to avert a global crash—but what is certain is that if it abandons its allies (such as Russia, Iran, North Korea, or even Pakistan), Western militaries would all set their sights on Beijing. Pakistan represents a perfect second front against India, while Iran is a target for the United States in the Middle East. Anything else is mere speculation, calculated to breed apathy and undermine Iran's morale.

 

[lightning f57]

The Hillbilly Cowboy confederation will probably escalate tonight

You mean the epstein coalition

 

[Immortals]

Your analysis doesn't help though...

China backed the ceasefire... pushed Pakistan and alleviated the global pressure but using their own reserves...

Why did China use their reserves only do this AFTER Trump visited? Because they run a two face foreign policy just like Putin did for decades where they throw “weaker” countries under the bus to make the West like them.

Let me ask you a simple question, if the role was reversed and China was facing an energy crisis, do you think Europe/India/Japan/Australia/US would tap their oil reserves and STOP importing oil to help China?

Of course not. They would be giddy with relief at a chance to DESTROY the Chinese economy. Xi has and always will be a Western appeaser.

For China to resume buying now means that cushion is lost at the worst possible time for orange...

This could have happened much earlier if China kept buying oil like normal. Instead China directly emboldened Trump by giving him the breathing room and delusions needed to think he didn’t need the MOU or to abide it.

No Xi has realized he is directly harming China by running down its reserves for no good reason in the face of a possible energy crisis.

Putin played it badly... he allowed Ukraine to stabilize and establish their niche... his task is harder and EU is going on offensive.

Back at the old forum (Pakistan defense forum) around 2013-2015 I told people there Putin’s appeasement policy and backstabbing Arab and Iran (Iraq, Libya, Syria) would come back to haunt him.

He laughed with Bush and called Iranians crazy. He didn’t do anything when Obama placed interceptors in Poland under the absurd pretext of “Iranian missile threat to Europe” and then he fell for that dyke Merkel’s tricks when he signed the Minsk accords instead of finishing off Ukraine when he had the chance over a decade ago.

APPEASEMENT WITH THE WEST NEVER WORKS!

 

[FUB]

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

MBS turned out to be a coward. He is literally seeing Americans deliberately targeting water/civilian infra in Iran and also knows what Iranians will do in retaliation yet he is hiding in his hole and not threatning to dump USD/PetroDollar.

Trump has done serious bullying on him. He is nowhere to be seen while whole region is on fire. What a coward...

Millions of people are at stake without water....

Pakistan needs to bring nuclear threat/heat on Israel - right on Egyptian border.

This whole war is imposed on Gulf region just because it didn't sign Abraham Accords. On top of it - Saudis signed defence pact with Pakistan

Americans/Jews are punishing MBS/Saudis.

Bastards always wanted 'normalization' with Saudis.

 

[Shags101]

Kuwait is a hall pass - a freebie to tell the rest of the Arab states of what is in store for them. I do think Iran should go all out and take out 50% of their electrical and water infrastructure. Not enough to cause life sustainment issues, but enough to cause long term bother to the people of the country on their luxury lifestyles and a lesson on the consequences of the actions of their leaders. Something that will niggle for months, while repairs are done.

Honestly takeout a few of those skyscrapers in the UAE or how about Saudi Arabia’s LINE project probably doing them a favor if the project is highly insured

 

[Immortals]

That argument doesn't hold water. China might temporarily stop buying oil due to economic exigencies—likely to avert a global crash—

You are refusing to believe the facts on the ground which are Xi and Trump agreed in a back rooms deal for China to temporarily halt imports so that oil prices could come down and Trump could get a deal.

This notion that China is going thru a this slowdown or economic weakness was a bullshit excuse to give China diplomatic cover against Iran who was allowing Chinese ships to transit for free, because why would you then reverse the decision to import a few months later? What happen? Your magical economic weakness just disappeared overnight?

Then Trump as usual went and threw that understanding out the window and restarted the war because he didn’t like the terms of the MoU. Now China is once again importing because why should it reduce its strategic oil reserves if the war is not going to end?

but what is certain is that if it abandons its allies (such as Russia, Iran, North Korea, or even Pakistan), Western militaries would all set their sights on Beijing.

China doesn’t have allies. North Korea is only a beneficial country because of Korean War and strategic location on China’s border. If North Korea was where Japan is located, China wouldn’t give two shits about Kim Jung Un.

Pakistan represents a perfect second front against India, while Iran is a target for the United States in the Middle East. Anything else is mere speculation, calculated to breed apathy and undermine Iran's morale.

If push came to shove, China would drop Pakistan like a hot potato. Pakistan for China is the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” example. That’s it.

Pakistan has trouble with its finances. Pakistan is not energy independent. China doesn’t rely on Pakistan for any critical goods or services. It’s strictly a beneficial military relationship because of India. Now let’s make something clear, China doesn’t need Pakistan to handle the India file. China has more than enough military power to severely hurt India if push came to shove.

So I do push back on this notion that China has strategic allies. None of what you would call allies are strategically important for China. They can all be dropped if need be.

China does not have an Israel or Hezbollah or Taiwan like ally it would refuse to give up outside of North Korea and that is mostly because China doesn’t want US bases right next door in North Korea.

 

[Watandar]

if US invasion is coming in 3 location plus a 4th as a diversion where are the likely invasion points ?

Any ground operation would be insanely stupid but there is a lot of media / social chatter about potentially seizing some islands to use as leverage against Iran and to convince shippers that the Strait is safely open. This is the reason that coastline is being attacked so that Iranians cannot harass or counter attack these islands.

Some potential harassment and diversion ops by Kurds or someone else inside Iran are also being talked about.

Personally I believe airstrikes culminating in a B2 attack on Pickaxe mountain is about as far as it will go before Mr Trump declares victory.

 

[tsunset]

So far the UK, the top 1 country allowing US strikes on Iran, hasn't been struck at all since RAF Akrotiri in March

K-4 can reach London and northern England

Iran can fire empty kinetic missiles at them as a warning

 

[Immortals]

 

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[Immortals]

U.S. Has begun strikes against Iran for an 8th straight night

 

[tsunset]

Seriously, what are the PGCC Kinglets real work?

Iranian and US diplomats and generals work from morning to night relentlessly trying to negotiate and think strategically, but what are the PGCC equivalents doing besides buying Rolexes and eating/sleeping?