Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

U.S. is striking 10-20 Iranian cities/towns a night. You would respond to that by only firing 5-7 missiles. You would fire 15-20.

So either Iran is preserving its missile for a return to high tempo operations or it simply does not have inventory to risk firing that many missiles a day.

I also don’t believe Iran can build 100 BM missiles a month during wartime. 50 maybe. I look at the Russian production rates and extrapolate that number to Iran. Russia has stronger industrial base than Iran does as well. Russia isn’t building 100 Iskanders a month.

You don’t need to fire that many missiles when you’re only targeting a couple radar stations and some hangars.

 

[Watandar]

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Trump admits what we all can tell - Putin and Xi are and have always been Western appeasers.

Daily lies and copium by Trump. It is well documented that Russia has been giving help with targeting and drone lessons from the Ukraine war while China has been buying oil in defiance of the West and has also provided materials for missiles. Both have been providing satellite intelligence to Iran.

The FPV drone was invented in Russia after Iran transferred tech and setup a factory for Shahed's. Those FPV have now found their way to Lebanon and Iran.

 

[Immortals]

You mean the same deal that Iranian officials were openly declaring their desire to join?

In what world would Iran sign a defense agreement with Saudi Arabia? Talking nonsense.

Iran saying the Middle East should be managed by Middle East countries with zero U.S. military inference is not the same as selling your military to a neighbor for some dinars.

One would have thought that after months of going through what you have with only the said country providing you with any semblance of support, you would've realized the folly of your empty hubris. It doesn't impress anyone.

Qatar has also been a mediator and Oman has also been a mediator. In return, Iran has let tankers reach Pakistan without incident. What more do you want?

What has Pakistan done in “support” of Iran in the meantime? Tried to justify Saudi Arabia’s blockade of the poorest country in the region (Yemen), Tried to negotiate another mercenary deal with Kuwait, and just asked the U.S. for a $10B liquidity line.

Pakistan has been looking out for itself and Iran is looking out for itself. That’s how the world works. Saying Pakistan has been “supporting” Iran is a bit of a strong statement to make.

 

[Flotilla]

You don’t need to fire that many missiles when you’re only targeting a couple radar stations and some hangars.

Well, it is not fair to compare Irán with Russia.
Russia is producing everything, from the most advanced SPG gun (Koalitsiya SV) to brand new Tu160M2 or 5º gen fighters (even if both are not top notch for today´s standards)
Irán just need to produce ballistic missiles and some MANPADS or short range Majids systems.
By the way. Iskander Missile it is a monster, they have very complex decoys and their launcher it is a all road truck. Iran launchers are commercial trucks and some pneumatics elevators. So I am pretty sure Irán produces more ballistic missiles than Russia.

 

[Immortals]

China has been buying oil in defiance of the West

China stopped oil imports in month of June after Trump visited. Let’s not skew facts to fit an agenda.

 

[Immortals]

You don’t need to fire that many missiles when you’re only targeting a couple radar stations and some hangars.

More copium.

100+ aircraft were sitting on tarmacs across the Middle East and Jordan and iran let the U.S. relocate them to Israel and deeper into Saudi Arabia.

Those same aircraft will be used to bomb Iran this weekend or whenever Trump decides to go fully back into this war.

So, I don’t buy it for a second that Iran had the missile inventory to knock out many U.S. jets and tankers and decided “no I’m gonna stick to a 1-2 hangers and some radar sites”.

 

[Watandar]

China stopped oil imports in month of June after Trump visited. Let’s not skew facts to fit an agenda.

This article explains when China decides to purchase oil and when it relies on its strategic oil reserve.

China's Next Move Could Decide Where Oil Prices Go This Year

China's crude import pullback helped cap oil prices during the Iran war, and its next buying decision could set the trend for 2026.

finance.yahoo.com

Here are articles about China being the biggest customer of Iranian oil.

Infographic: China is the Biggest Buyer of Iranian Oil

This infographic details the estimated share of Iran oil exports in 2024 by receiving country (in percent).

www.statista.com

One Buyer Dominates Iran’s Oil Exports

China buys over 90% of Iran’s oil exports, leaving just a handful of smaller buyers amid years of sanctions and shifting trade ties.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[Shags101]

What eventual end do you see then out of the only two remaining options for Iran? Complete US capitulation or indefinite war?



You mean the same deal that Iranian officials were openly declaring their desire to join? One would have thought that after months of going through what you have with only the said country providing you with any semblance of support, you would've realized the folly of your empty hubris. It doesn't impress anyone.

Or maybe, it is a way for you to get through it...which, one would understand.



A text-book rabid echo chamber sustained on self-placating denial and fantasies of grandeur. The self-deprecating Pakistani lemmings here are a surprise, chaudhari ke tatu and what not. Revolting even when you do support Iran.

Well I’m not going to debate this just thinking no Iran doesn’t actually have to surrender to countries that started the war under false pretenses there really isn’t any way for this to is war to end boots on the ground can trump mister a coalition of a million plus sure a lot of Arab and Kurdish soldiers (I don’t even the moderates of Iran would go for that) last option no boots on the ground Iran lets the worlds economies free fall in several month with Trump and Iran blocking the Hormuz

 

[030292]

China stopped oil imports in month of June after Trump visited. Let’s not skew facts to fit an agenda.

That was a really brain dead decision by chinese, if they were really serious about ending the petro dollar hegemony, they would have doubled their oil imports to wreck the western countries and humiliate trump, that was once in a century opportunity, but sadly they acted like another western stooge when the opportunity presented itself on a silver platter.

As the famous saying goes "those who hesitate m*sturbate"

 

[Immortals]

Well, it is not fair to compare Irán with Russia.
Russia is producing everything, from the most advanced SPG gun (Koalitsiya SV) to brand new Tu160M2 or 5º gen fighters (even if both are not top notch for today´s standards)

Irrelevant - a factory/production chain that is designed for Iskander or BMs isn’t taking resources from being a fighter jet and aerospace development facility.

By the way. Iskander Missile it is a monster, they have very complex decoys

Iskander has a range of less than 500KM and its decoys are Cold War era. It is not that much more advanced than Fattah or Keyibar Shekan which both have much longer ranges and need more sophisticated targeting systems to stay on course. Iskander is not a super missile and Russia is building at least 60-70 a month alongside Onyx missile and Zircon and a family of CMs and drones.

So I am pretty sure Irán produces more ballistic missiles than Russia.

During war time after its land was bombed 20,000+ times? Highly doubt that. Russia has much more land mass that Ukraine can never reach to be able to scatter its industrial far from enemy lines or air raids.

 

[FUB]

 

[Immortals]

That was a really brain dead decision by chinese, if they were really serious about ending the petro dollar hegemony, they would have doubled their oil imports to wreck the western countries and humiliate trump, that was once in a century opportunity, but sadly they acted like another western stooge when the opportunity presented itself on a silver platter.

As the famous saying goes "those who hesitate m*sturbate"

It was completely intentional. Because China doesn’t like that Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz. China’s biggest ally is Saudi Arabia and the Arab world. It’s relationship with Iran is much more transactional in nature rather than strategic.

Xi doesn’t want the west to enter a global economic recession because that would impact Chinese exports.

At the end of the day, China and Iran are not aligned on this conflict and its resolution or what it will take to get to a resolution. People here project that China is cheering Iran, far from it. Xi is not happy at all what Iran is doing and not happy that Trump started this whole thing.

 

[030292]

It was completely intentional. Because China doesn’t like that Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz. China’s biggest ally is Saudi Arabia and the Arab world. It’s relationship with Iran is much more transactional in nature rather than strategic.

Xi doesn’t want the west to enter a global economic recession because that would impact Chinese exports.

At the end of the day, China and Iran are not aligned on this conflict and its resolution or what it will take to get to a resolution. People here project that China is cheering Iran, far from it. Xi is not happy at all what Iran is doing and not happy that Trump started this whole thing.

Chinese have been pretty damn passive for far too long for their own good despite welding immense power, at this point im starting to believe even if tomorrow yanks decide to deploy nukes in taipei they dont have have balls to do anything other than issue a tough statement.
If it was the other way around i dont think the american would have hesitated for even a second to drive the dagger through the chinese heart.

 

[RzA]

 

[Falcon29]

• The Israeli Broadcasting Authority on Israeli officials:

There is a possibility of a broad Israeli-American attack on Iran aimed at improving the United States' position in the negotiations.

It may be very close