Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

krash said:
What eventual end do you see then out of the only two remaining options for Iran? Complete US capitulation or indefinite war?



You mean the same deal that Iranian officials were openly declaring their desire to join? One would have thought that after months of going through what you have with only the said country providing you with any semblance of support, you would've realized the folly of your empty hubris. It doesn't impress anyone.

Or maybe, it is a way for you to get through it...which, one would understand.



A text-book rabid echo chamber sustained on self-placating denial and fantasies of grandeur. The self-deprecating Pakistani lemmings here are a surprise, chaudhari ke tatu and what not. Revolting even when you do support Iran.
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Well I’m not going to debate this just thinking no Iran doesn’t actually have to surrender to countries that started the war under false pretenses there really isn’t any way for this to is war to end boots on the ground can trump mister a coalition of a million plus sure a lot of Arab and Kurdish soldiers (I don’t even the moderates of Iran would go for that) last option no boots on the ground Iran lets the worlds economies free fall in several month with Trump and Iran blocking the Hormuz
 
Immortals said:
China stopped oil imports in month of June after Trump visited. Let’s not skew facts to fit an agenda.
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That was a really brain dead decision by chinese, if they were really serious about ending the petro dollar hegemony, they would have doubled their oil imports to wreck the western countries and humiliate trump, that was once in a century opportunity, but sadly they acted like another western stooge when the opportunity presented itself on a silver platter.

As the famous saying goes "those who hesitate m*sturbate"
 
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Flotilla said:
Well, it is not fair to compare Irán with Russia.
Russia is producing everything, from the most advanced SPG gun (Koalitsiya SV) to brand new Tu160M2 or 5º gen fighters (even if both are not top notch for today´s standards)
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Irrelevant - a factory/production chain that is designed for Iskander or BMs isn’t taking resources from being a fighter jet and aerospace development facility.

Flotilla said:
By the way. Iskander Missile it is a monster, they have very complex decoys
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Iskander has a range of less than 500KM and its decoys are Cold War era. It is not that much more advanced than Fattah or Keyibar Shekan which both have much longer ranges and need more sophisticated targeting systems to stay on course. Iskander is not a super missile and Russia is building at least 60-70 a month alongside Onyx missile and Zircon and a family of CMs and drones.

Flotilla said:
So I am pretty sure Irán produces more ballistic missiles than Russia.
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During war time after its land was bombed 20,000+ times? Highly doubt that. Russia has much more land mass that Ukraine can never reach to be able to scatter its industrial far from enemy lines or air raids.
 
030292 said:
That was a really brain dead decision by chinese, if they were really serious about ending the petro dollar hegemony, they would have doubled their oil imports to wreck the western countries and humiliate trump, that was once in a century opportunity, but sadly they acted like another western stooge when the opportunity presented itself on a silver platter.

As the famous saying goes "those who hesitate m*sturbate"
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It was completely intentional. Because China doesn’t like that Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz. China’s biggest ally is Saudi Arabia and the Arab world. It’s relationship with Iran is much more transactional in nature rather than strategic.

Xi doesn’t want the west to enter a global economic recession because that would impact Chinese exports.

At the end of the day, China and Iran are not aligned on this conflict and its resolution or what it will take to get to a resolution. People here project that China is cheering Iran, far from it. Xi is not happy at all what Iran is doing and not happy that Trump started this whole thing.
 
Immortals said:
It was completely intentional. Because China doesn’t like that Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz. China’s biggest ally is Saudi Arabia and the Arab world. It’s relationship with Iran is much more transactional in nature rather than strategic.

Xi doesn’t want the west to enter a global economic recession because that would impact Chinese exports.

At the end of the day, China and Iran are not aligned on this conflict and its resolution or what it will take to get to a resolution. People here project that China is cheering Iran, far from it. Xi is not happy at all what Iran is doing and not happy that Trump started this whole thing.
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Chinese have been pretty damn passive for far too long for their own good despite welding immense power, at this point im starting to believe even if tomorrow yanks decide to deploy nukes in taipei they dont have have balls to do anything other than issue a tough statement.
If it was the other way around i dont think the american would have hesitated for even a second to drive the dagger through the chinese heart.
 
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There is a possibility of a broad Israeli-American attack on Iran aimed at improving the United States' position in the negotiations.

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Trump warns Russia and China against arms sales to Iran​

Trump warns Russia and China against arms sales to Iran

President Donald Trump says he has been assured by the Russian and Chinese leaders that they would not sell weapons to Iran. (AP)
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  • US president says he believes assurances from Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin that they are not doing so
WASHINGTON: US President Donald Trump warned China and Russia on Friday against selling weapons to Iran — while saying he believed assurances from Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin that they were not yet doing so.

“Therefore, two major Countries that people speak of often in terms of Iran are, in my opinion, not participating,” Trump said on his Truth Social network. “If they did, it would be very bad for them — Certainly not in their best interests.”

Trump’s comment on Truth Social comes amid reports that Washington is investigating whether Moscow and Beijing are giving Iran targeting information, following a series of strikes on US bases.

The US leader said Chinese president Xi had told him when they met in Beijing in May that he would not arm Iran under any circumstances, adding: “considering our relationship, I take him at his word.”

Trump added that Putin had made a similar promise despite the war in Ukraine.

“He understands that I do not sell Weapons to Ukraine, but to NATO Countries. They pay full price, and how those Weapons are distributed, I have no idea,” Trump said.

Trump has frequently taken a more deferential tone toward Xi and Putin than he has toward Washington’s own allies, saying that they must be respected as the leaders of major world powers.

 
Immortals said:
It was completely intentional. Because China doesn’t like that Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz. China’s biggest ally is Saudi Arabia and the Arab world. It’s relationship with Iran is much more transactional in nature rather than strategic.

Xi doesn’t want the west to enter a global economic recession because that would impact Chinese exports.

At the end of the day, China and Iran are not aligned on this conflict and its resolution or what it will take to get to a resolution. People here project that China is cheering Iran, far from it. Xi is not happy at all what Iran is doing and not happy that Trump started this whole thing.
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That is not true. No one wants chaos. Chinese oil imports were 30 million barrels in June. The US is hollowed out and does not produce anything. The entire reason for the Iran war is to strangle China and attack Russia through their Southern Flank. You think after Venezuela, the Chinese want to cozy up to the Saudis and dump Iran?

China,Russia, and Iran are strategic partners. The Chinese and the Russians want Iran to bleed the US. You will learn soon enough .
 
Immortals said:
In what world would Iran sign a defense agreement with Saudi Arabia? Talking nonsense.

Iran saying the Middle East should be managed by Middle East countries with zero U.S. military inference is not the same as selling your military to a neighbor for some dinars.
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For that, Iran would need to have a military to sell. Don't worry though, General Yahya Rahim Safavi has you covered.

Khamenei adviser urges joining Saudi-Pakistan defense pact

Jokes aside, you've been granted a reasonable amount of hospitality, geopolitically and on this forum. Best for yourself to not let it run out. This is not an Iranian setting where your auto-stimulation will be cheered on at the expense of others, least of all Pakistan. We've had plenty of practice with our just as delusional neighbors on the other side.

Immortals said:
Qatar has also been a mediator and Oman has also been a mediator. In return, Iran has let tankers reach Pakistan without incident. What more do you want?
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You to know your place and remain within it, vis-a-vis Pakistan, especially on this forum. Whatever fantasies you've conjured about yourself as coping mechanisms, no one else shares or cares for them.

Immortals said:
What has Pakistan done in “support” of Iran in the meantime? Tried to justify Saudi Arabia’s blockade of the poorest country in the region (Yemen), Tried to negotiate another mercenary deal with Kuwait, and just asked the U.S. for a $10B liquidity line.

Pakistan has been looking out for itself and Iran is looking out for itself. That’s how the world works. Saying Pakistan has been “supporting” Iran is a bit of a strong statement to make.
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Better to ask those Iranians who are not insecure, immature, or dishonest enough to be ungrateful.

“On this blessed, divine, and spiritual day and hour, I extend my heartfelt gratitude to the government and people of Pakistan for their full-throated expression of solidarity and support with the people and government of the Islamic Republic of Iran in the face of the aggression by America and the Zionist regime.”

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Immortals said:
It was completely intentional. Because China doesn’t like that Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz. China’s biggest ally is Saudi Arabia and the Arab world. It’s relationship with Iran is much more transactional in nature rather than strategic.

Xi doesn’t want the west to enter a global economic recession because that would impact Chinese exports.

At the end of the day, China and Iran are not aligned on this conflict and its resolution or what it will take to get to a resolution. People here project that China is cheering Iran, far from it. Xi is not happy at all what Iran is doing and not happy that Trump started this whole thing.
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Good points. I don't think anyone suggests that China is in love with Iranians or cheering them from afar. China is making it's own geopolitical calculations against a West that is very aggressive against it and openly talking about future military conflict with it.
 
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