Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BigMela2onin]

It takes literal wars to make these guys realize anything. I don't think there has ever been a more reactive polity than contemporary Iran. There is no progress or forward thinking, just reaction and complete passivity.

 

[Immortals]

Sadaam had recruited THOUSANDS of Egyptians during that war with Iran , and Mubarak sent his generals there , you probably don't know that.

It doesn’t prove your claim that Iraq “was not strong”. Nobody would say Iraq of 1970s and 1980s was military weak. They had a nuclear program, a missile program, a chemical weapons program and had French and Soviet Union air defense and fighter jets alongside 4000+ tanks.

Sure, they couldn’t challenge America in 1991 in head to head conventional warfare, but there wasn’t a country on earth in 1991 that could do that. Including Russia or China. That doesn’t make Iraq weak.

 

[Shags101]

Do you believe that actually happened tho? I find it half a very doubtful

No offense to the user but he sometimes posts iffy stuff and I personally like getting my news mostly from CNN New York Times Haaretz(when it was mostly free( and Times of Israel Wall Street is usually legit not big on any foreign “news” since much of it in the Middle East is government controlled or has way to many dealings with that government(Israel)

 

[MS Sandhu]

Both of your conversation I find interesting.

Im not so sure that Iran doesn't have the capability to hit US ships - when the war first started it turned out after the first ceasefire that there was a Arleigh Burke class destroyer inside the PG well within Iranian missiles docked close to Bahrain/Kuwait - it was not targeted despite the fact the US sunk an unarmed Iranian ship killing 80 plus sailors it would have given plenty justification.

Even in the current situation there has been satellite images of US AC sailing very close to the Iranian coast unescorted. To me atleast it seems Irans still holding back on a mass casualty event on the US side, I think they are calibrating their responses to keep US public opinion against trump.

If this really is the case, I actually think one must give the Iranians more credit - as there is some really clever and strategic thinking going on, not something you can say about the trump admin.

So USN is sailing across the ME region all on mercy of Iranian hesitation to go big?
That will be the most stupidest pro max strategy from any Navy in the world.
USN knows what it's doing.They had a great experience against Houthis so Iranian anti shipping approach was very much predictable to them.
Trump said IRGC fired 100 projectiles in one shot at USN ship at one point - all were knocked out of sky.
I think they learned their lessons well in houthi compaign and got their defences at the right place against Iran.

 

[MS Sandhu]

We executed most of our generals, not just officers. But we also had the world's 5th largest air force at the time. The IRIAF at the time was formidable. We had 80 F-14s, which were equivalent to F-22 in terms of today aviation. We also had over 140 F-4s and F-5s in our inventory. The Iranian army was strong back then, even though we had executed most of our generals.

I prefer the Shah to the Islamic Republic for sure, but I don't like his son (Reza Pahlavi). However, I believe Mohammadreza Pahlavi (the last Shah) was better than the Islamic Republic and his policies were better for Iran.

We had no reason to waste our money on Arabs, particularly Palestinians. We also shouldn't have turned the US into our archenemy. Besides that, we spent over 30 years on a nuclear program that resulted in absolutely nothing for Iran. We spent billions of dollars in Syria, and even more money in Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, Yemen, even countries like Sudan, Djibouti, all for naught.

All is not lost still. But Iran seems adamant to carry on its proxy dependent defence strategies.

 

[Winthorpe]

It doesn’t prove your claim that Iraq “was not strong”. Nobody would say Iraq of 1970s and 1980s was military weak. They had a nuclear program, a missile program, a chemical weapons program and had French and Soviet Union air defense and fighter jets alongside 4000+ tanks.

Sure, they couldn’t challenge America in 1991 in head to head conventional warfare, but there wasn’t a country on earth in 1991 that could do that. Including Russia or China. That doesn’t make Iraq weak.

Plus they had just come out of a devastating 8 year war

 

[ShapurII]

and why didn't you buy the Egyptian cancelled su-35 deal from Russia? weren't there rumors that you want them ?

we have different opinions mate , but anyway you love your country and i admire that.

Yes, we did try to purchase them, but the Russians have refused to deliver a single jet to Iran since 2021.

Even after we signed a contract with the Russians, the Russians were supposed to deliver the first batch of our orders in March. 6 months later, nothing has happened.

 

[ShapurII]

What? Iraq had the 2nd largest military in the Arab world and had a mixture of modern Soviet and Western military equipment. By the end of war he had a 1 million man army.

People forget before 1990, Iraq was relatively wealthy and not under sanctions. During the war Arabs and Soviet Union gave over 100B dollars in loans for Saddam to buy the latest military equipment. Saddam had fierce loyalty of his generals and officers and chemical weapon delivery systems.

Not sure what revisionist history you read that suddenly makes Iraq weak in 1980.

The French rented, not sold but rented, Mirage-F1 jet fighters to Iraq and later forgave the debt. The amount of support Iraq received and what Iraq turned into in 1990 should not be underestimated at all.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

What? Iraq had the 2nd largest military in the Arab world and had a mixture of modern Soviet and Western military equipment. By the end of war he had a 1 million man army.

People forget before 1990, Iraq was relatively wealthy and not under sanctions. During the war Arabs and Soviet Union gave over 100B dollars in loans for Saddam to buy the latest military equipment. Saddam had fierce loyalty of his generals and officers and chemical weapon delivery systems.

Not sure what revisionist history you read that suddenly makes Iraq weak in 1980.

Training for Shield / Storm took Iraq's known capabilities at the time into account. We did not underestimate them at all.

 

[Desert]

No offense to the user but he sometimes posts iffy stuff and I personally like getting my news mostly from CNN New York Times Haaretz(when it was mostly free( and Times of Israel Wall Street is usually legit not big on any foreign “news” since much of it in the Middle East is government controlled or has way to many dealings with that government(Israel)

here is the U.S naval forces official website

USS Harry S. Truman Involved in Collision at Sea​

https://www.c6f.navy.mil/Press-Room/News/Article/4065260/uss-harry-s-truman-involved-in-collision-at-sea/

As I said , next time U.S f*** with us , it will be more than EW accident.

 

[Desert]

I think they learned their lessons well in houthi compaign and got their defences at the right place against Iran.

They haven't learned anything , they lost f-18 from on top of a carrier while trying to evade a houthi missile ..

 

[Shags101]

here is the U.S naval forces official website

USS Harry S. Truman Involved in Collision at Sea​

https://www.c6f.navy.mil/Press-Room/News/Article/4065260/uss-harry-s-truman-involved-in-collision-at-sea/

As I said , next time U.S f*** with us , it will be more than EW accident.

Like I said not knocking you just not big on random sites

 

[Magi]

It doesn’t prove your claim that Iraq “was not strong”. Nobody would say Iraq of 1970s and 1980s was military weak. They had a nuclear program, a missile program, a chemical weapons program and had French and Soviet Union air defense and fighter jets alongside 4000+ tanks.

Sure, they couldn’t challenge America in 1991 in head to head conventional warfare, but there wasn’t a country on earth in 1991 that could do that. Including Russia or China. That doesn’t make Iraq weak.

Before the Iran revolution, USSR armed Iraq to the teeth as a counterweight to Iran. These excerpts are from the US senate discussion on the sale of E-3 AWACS to Iran in 1978.

 

[Watandar]

These leaks about low US weapons stockpiles keep happening. Earlier today it was the PrSM and now its interceptors. This is either misinformation before a major attack, or more likely the military messaging the politicians to get out of this mess.

US military has used up nearly 80% of key missile interceptors as commanders warn stockpiles ‘dangerously low,’ sources say​

The US military has exhausted nearly 80% of its interceptors for a key missile defense system as senior US military commanders are warning that the Pentagon’s munitions stockpile is “dangerously low,” according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

Stockpiles of key air defense systems have been particularly depleted during the war with Iran. The US military has burned through nearly four-fifths of its THAAD missile inventory compared to pre-war numbers and roughly half of its Patriot interceptors since the start of the war, according to two sources familiar with the latest inventory report. The disclosure of the low THAAD inventory has not been previously reported.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies estimates the United States had around 2,200 Patriots (of the platform’s two most-modernized variants) and 452 THAAD missiles in its stockpile before the Iran war started.

Gulf countries have also raised fresh concerns about how a shortage of air defense systems could impact their ability to ward off potential Iranian retaliation if President
Donald Trump decides to escalate the ongoing conflict.

Several of those countries rely on US air defense systems and have acknowledged the stockpile shortage could hinder their own ability to intercept incoming Iranian missile and drone attacks – particularly if they are targeted in response to any American escalation, multiple officials said.

The stockpile issue was raised again prior to the president’s decision last weekend to cancel new strikes on Iran, marking at least the second time in recent weeks that Trump’s senior military advisers have specifically voiced concerns about the dwindling number of key US munitions during discussions about potentially escalating the conflict with Iran.
The US Army has also used “virtually all” of its highly accurate long-range, surface-to-air weapons during the conflict, according to the source familiar with recent internal Pentagon reports. Reuters first reported the specific concerns about US stockpiles of long-range strategic missiles.

Weekend strikes called off​

The recent warnings about munitions shortages — coupled with other intelligence presented to Trump about the potential negative effects of striking Iran’s critical infrastructure, including energy-related targets, and concerns voiced by Gulf countries — have been compelling enough to convince some of Trump’s most hawkish advisers there were was reason to call off planned operations over the weekend, the sources said.
Trump on Friday was planning to move forward with massive strikes, and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth received the final “go ahead” order on Friday, according to a senior Trump official.

But Trump decided to back off after talking with Middle East allies on Saturday, who told him they were afraid of Iranian retaliation, specifically retaliatory attacks on their energy infrastructure, according to the official. Trump agreed to hear them, and Iran, out. He subsequently told Hegseth to stand down, for now, but is not taking the planned strikes off the table for a future date.

“America’s military is the most powerful in the world and has everything it needs to execute at the time and place of the President’s choosing,” Chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said in a statement to CNN.

“We have executed multiple successful operations across combatant commands while ensuring the U.S. military possesses a deep arsenal of capabilities to protect our people and our interests,” he added.

White House spokesperson Anna Kelly told CNN that the US military “has more than enough munitions, ammo, and stockpiles to serve all of President Trump’s strategic goals and beyond.”

“Operation Epic Fury has exposed what happens when you mess with the United States. Even still, the President has urged our defense contractors to constantly produce more made-in-America weapons, which are the best in the world,” Kelly added.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Dan Caine similarly raised the stockpile issue during another White House meeting late last month where military options for escalating the conflict were discussed, CNN previously reported. The potential for massive civilian casualties inside Iran if the US resumed major combat operations was also raised, another person familiar with the matter said.

But the persistent concerns about stockpile estimates provided to CNN underline the seriousness of the shortages and call into question the US’ ability to carry out strikes against Iran for an extended period.
The stockpile shortage could also impact the American military’s ability to fight a potential future war with China, Russia or even North Korea, experts have told CNN.

‘Tit-for-tat will never end this.’​

“The lack of interceptors means that conventional attacks can backfire if the suicide drones start making it through in-masse,” one of the sources familiar with the stockpile concerns said. “Tit-for-tat will never end this.”

The long-range missiles that have been primarily used up during the war with Iran are known as Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) and Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM), the sources noted.

The US’ stockpile of Tomahawk missiles also remains significantly depleted, as close to half of those weapons have been used during the war, one of the sources said.
CNN reported in April that the US military had used nearly 30% of its Tomahawks during the early stages of the war.

On Monday, Trump called Iranian leadership “unbelievably duplicitous” on social media after Tehran contradicted his claim that negotiations would resume.
He later insisted that this is Iran’s “last chance” to sign a deal, but he also said he has no time constraints on negotiations because he’s not seeking reelection.
The early phase of the Iran conflict, dubbed Operation Epic Fury, saw the US military expend thousands of key missiles used for long-range precision strikes and to defend against enemy air and missile attacks, according to analysts and previous CNN reporting.

US Air Force aerial porters prepare to load Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) support equipment onto a C-17 Globemaster III in October 2024.
(Senior Airman Zeeshan Naeem/United States Air Forces Central)

Replenishment rates are low for key missiles, analysts tell CNN — according to current fiscal year delivery schedules, the Pentagon is receiving roughly 15 new Tomahawks and 20 new Patriot missiles per month. The Center for Strategic and International Studies estimated it would take three or more years to rebuild THAAD inventories to pre-Iran war levels.

The Defense Department has accelerated its efforts to expand interceptor missile production in recent months, including two deals inked this week to boost Patriot and THAAD rocket motor manufacturing, but a spokesperson declined to answer questions about when the expansion will lead to results.

Analysts say it could take years to fully replenish the US stockpile of high-end munitions, like Patriot missiles, due to the lead time for producing those weapons.

Other missile inventories, such as those for the Precision Strike Missile and the Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile, will be quicker to rebound and should reach their pre-war level by mid-to-late 2027, according to analysis from the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

 

[Desert]

Not to mention the fact that the usn is more powerful then anything Egypt can dish out.

You do know that U.S navy always gets slapped in this area , right?
first , USS Liberty incident, which occurred on June 8, 1967, israel targeted it and killed your country men and no one cared
secondly , houthis do target your ships from time to time and even your withdrew the 6 fleet from bahrain cuz of Iran attacks.

and now with Egypt's accident and where is the retaliation ?

where is the mighty USN ? big mouth and no actions.