Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Jalz]

There is active military conflict going on with Saudi arabia with Yemen and to a limited extent with Iran by usa interference of attacking from within saudi airpspace.

Ukraine couldnt join nato because of ongoing conflict that automatically makes nato join war with Russia. So a country practically should not join a defense pact until there is no ongoing military conflict with another country. Another is for a defense pact it should be defensive. For example if saudi attacks yemen and yemen strikes back it doesnt work. That is why nato couldnt intervene in the usa ongoing conflict against Iran as usa was the starter of the conflict.

unless things are solved around saudi arabia the defense pact should not be complete. Otherwise it is automatically joining war against Yemen or even Iran for the other 2 countries Pakistan and Turkiye and somewhat illogical.

One of my concerns with this pact is that these countries will go to war with Iran before they go to war with Israel.

 

[Immortals]

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[Starlord]

One of my concerns with this pact is that these countries will go to war with Iran before they go to war with Israel.

They just sign it today, they haven't even back to their own countries and you guys are fearing that Iran will get attacked, why? Also Iran will not be attacked by the Alliance. KSA might hit Iran because of Iran's attack on USA/KSA military bases, but this PACT initially will be used against a threat almost all 3 countries face, Terrorism. Pakistan from Taliban/BLA types, Turkish from PKK/YPG/ISIS types, and KSA from Houthis.

 

[Immortals]

One of my concerns with this pact is that these countries will go to war with Iran before they go to war with Israel.

• Pakistan is bankrupt and lives loan to loan
• Turkey’s currency is worthless like toliet paper
• Saudi Arabia’s entire income comes from a product Iran can readily destroy in the country.

You think Saudi Arabia can prop up itself and 2 other countries economically during a war? Doubtful.

Saudi’s interest is growing economically and staying away from war. It doesn’t want to be entangled in war and be destroyed like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya.

MBS would be committing a big mistake by trying to get into a war with Iran when Israel/US with all their intel and firepower couldn’t overwhelm Iran then Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia won’t be able to either.

 

[Ali_Baba]

If this is all about a pipeline only, what's Pakistan doing there.

I never said it was "only" about pipelines!

 

[Jalz]

They just sign it today, they haven't even back to their own countries and you guys are fearing that Iran will get attacked, why? Also Iran will not be attacked by the Alliance. KSA might hit Iran because of Iran's attack on USA/KSA military bases, but this PACT initially will be used against a threat almost all 3 countries face, Terrorism. Pakistan from Taliban/BLA types, Turkish from PKK/YPG/ISIS types, and KSA from Houthis.

If we have to attack a saudi oil facility because the US/Israel attacked an Iranian one will this pact be activated?

 

[Jalz]

• Pakistan is bankrupt and lives loan to loan
• Turkey’s currency is worthless like toliet paper
• Saudi Arabia’s entire income comes from a product Iran can readily destroy in the country.

You think Saudi Arabia can prop up itself and 2 other countries economically during a war? Doubtful.

Saudi’s interest is growing economically and staying away from war. It doesn’t want to be entangled in war and be destroyed like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya.

MBS would be committing a big mistake by trying to get into a war with Iran when Israel/US with all their intel and firepower couldn’t overwhelm Iran then Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia won’t be able to either.

Yeah I dont think any of these states are interested in a war with Iran. As long as we are able to use energy facilities around the persian gulf as leverage against an Israeli/American attack it doesn't matter what our friends here do.

 

[Starlord]

If we have to attack a saudi oil facility because the US/Israel attacked an Iranian one will this pact be activated?

Again, today (few hrs ago) they signed, no one knows the full details of the PACT, and Pakistan and Turkiye both show no apetite of getting involved in the Iranian war, which may even wrap up soon, plus KSA can bomb Iran on their own if they want to, they have plenty of F-15's and EFT and Tornado's for that, plus Iran will not be putting itself in a position where it drag KSA into this war, you already have America to deal with, and Israel which is ready to pounce... so maybe try not to make enemy out of everyone in the region.

 

[Jalz]

Again, today (few hrs ago) they signed, no one knows the full details of the PACT, and Pakistan and Turkiye both show no apetite of getting involved in the Iranian war, which may even wrap up soon, plus KSA can bomb Iran on their own if they want to, they have plenty of F-15's and EFT and Tornado's for that, plus Iran will not be putting itself in a position where it drag KSA into this war, you already have America to deal with, and Israel which is ready to pounce... so maybe try not to make enemy out of everyone in the region.

We have no interest in making everyone an enemy. But when a superpower attacks you, you have to use its interest in the region as leverage against it. The only way for a weaker country to defeat a stronger country is by going crazy. Lets hope for everyone's sake this war wraps up soon.

I do think its good that muslim countries are developing a defensive framework outside of America. Muslim countries need to end their reliance on america.

 

[Immortals]

Terrorism. Pakistan from Taliban/BLA types, Turkish from PKK/YPG/ISIS types, and KSA from Houthis.

None of those groups are gonna be deterred from this deal. Because insurgents by nature don’t care about these toothless deals will fight till the last man.

Also Houthi’s aren’t terrorist. Only a moron would think you could label Houthi’s (who Saudi Arabia has allied with multiple times in the past) terrorists after Saudi Arabia has committed genocide in Yemen and kept the country on an blockade just because it’s preferred puppet government is not in power in Yemen.

Saudi Arabia could easily end its conflict with Houthis by lifting the blockade and not interfering in the Yemen’s affairs. Saudi Arabia wants its cake and eat it too. Wants to interfere in countries affairs anywhere in the Middle East and Africa, then cry when Iran does the same in the region (ie Syria, Lebanon, Iraq).

Arabs and Turks are acting like hypocrites. They sat and criticized Iran and said Iran is interfering in countries affairs then spent the next several years doing the same exact same thing! Turkey is in Iraq and Syria. Saudi Arabia and UAE are sowing chaos in Yemen and African continent. Fueling conflicts everywhere they go.

This is the main problem in Middle East today. Too much countries are trying to be a hegemony. Add in Israel and you will see why the region is headed to disaster.

 

[Starlord]

We have no interest in making everyone an enemy. But when a superpower attacks you, you have to use its interest in the region as leverage against it. The only way for a weaker country to defeat a stronger country is by going crazy. Lets hope for everyone's sake this war wraps up soon.

Which Iran used, Everyone knows that if US attacked Iran they will hit American bases in Gulf, Iran doesn't have capability to hit US mainland, if they somehow did then only God can help Iran with what will happen next. Despite my disagreements over Gulf's role in this whole mess which start with Palestinian Genocide, I have to give them credit that they have kept themselves out of this war for the most part, we had some UAEAF strikes over Iran but they were only few, other than that KSA/Kuwait/Bahrain/Iraq has not officially enter wars with Iran regardless of what ultra-nationalists here say, which is a good thing, Israel was hoping for a larger regional war that Arabs/Persians start killing each other, 2 birds with 1 stones and they succeeded to some extent, as gulf economies were doing good, and with this war several countries have major set backs, Iran on the other hand is fighting for its survival, and doesn't matter if you like or not, even if war stops tomorrow and no more ceasefire violation happens, and peace prevails, it will take 1-2 decades for Iran to rebuild all its military bases, missiles bases, industries and port that were bombed. Region needs peace, uninterrupted and complete peace so poor people can finally start rebuilding and struggling economies can recover (Pakistan & India).

 

[Immortals]

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[Jalz]

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He always says this and then it turns out that they are giving a bunch of concessions to Iran. The MOU was big for Iran from an economic standpoint. If we can get 12-25 billion dollars of assets unfrozen we can implement economic reforms(economic liberalization)

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Are they getting the Island ready for battle ? Have they emptied out the tanks ?

 

[kobra]

Both pathways are logically viable? Comes down to geography of course. Makes more sense via Iraq, given how big the oil industry is there and how Iraq will want to build its own pipeline and the ability of Iraq to quickly repair etc given its existing industrial base.

Iraq will not be safe for saudi pipeline for obvious reason. Jordan is more suitable.