Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BananaRepublic]

If I take at face value what you say, then why are you hiding behind proxies to attack Saudia if the intent is to fight them and has only targeted US bases in Saudi sparing Saudi military personnel and civilian infra in official capacity?

The nonsense that is being sprouted is GCC is the enemy but Iran would fight against Saudia through proxies while sparing israel when they open said few weeks ago US planes are flying from their airports to attack Iran and they can't do zilch about it.

Every Arab country is hosting US bases and facilitating attacks on Iran.

They have zero sovereignty and hence not legitimate nation states.

When Iran attacks the Saudis they are attacking Israel.

It’s like your neighbour’s house being occupied by meth addicts. You aren’t going to deal with your neighbour because they have lost control.

You are going to attack the addicts - covertly or overtly.

 

[tsunset]

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They went from "unconditional surrender" to this

What a joke if true

 

[BananaRepublic]

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Trump is just looking for the next off-ramp.

He will not make a deal because any deal will be humiliating for him.

This thing will run until 2029.

Iran will get a much better deal with the next US administration.

 

[BHAN85]

US never wins wars because their soldiers are essentially whining sissies.

they want the money, they are not defending their country and they know it.

they are defending israel and twisted bankers economic destabilization plans, motivation is zero.

iran soldiers are defending own country. defending the weakest and most innocent people of the country, like minab victims, or the sacrest figures like ayatollah, defending own cities, motivation is full 100%.

usa, at least in afghanistan and iraq wars, their liar ruling elite spend some time creating a narrative of defend own country with 9/11 selfattacks. then they were motivated, to torture prisoners, being war criminals, they were cowards but sadistic cowards, now they are not motivated even for that.

they hasnt even bullshit to believe and to be motivated.

the official mainstream bullshit about iran is stop them from create nukes, who gives a crap about that in usa mainland?

 

[tsunset]

The only way out for the US was just after they sunk Dena and other ships

They could have drawn off after this and declared victory and it would be somewhat credible

It's too late now, too deep in the quicksand, they believed in their own lies

 

[muhammed45]

If I take at face value what you say, then why are you hiding behind proxies to attack Saudia if the intent is to fight them and has only targeted US bases in Saudi sparing Saudi military personnel and civilian infra in official capacity?

The nonsense that is being sprouted is GCC is the enemy but Iran would fight against Saudia through proxies while sparing israel when they open said few weeks ago US planes are flying from their airports to attack Iran and they can't do zilch about it.

Unfortunately you forget that both KSA and Israel have been on the same page until just recently. Both were somehow put in power by the Brits along with Pahlavis of Iran and Kemal Pasha of Turkey.

You forget, ISIS was a co-production of KSA, Israel, NATO and Arab states with Wahabi ideology.

When the kingdom denied any connection to Wahabism, the movement officially died.

But without Iranian fight against ISIS in the beginning, they could turn into the best excuse for Americans stay in the region for an other century to come.

USA creates cancers and uses them to spread tumor in the body of civilizations. ISIS was the very case to pollute Muslim world.

ISIS has zero to do with Sunni masses.

 

[SecularNationalist]

I am happy with the new Pakistan ,turkey,Saudi Arabia defence agreement but not happy Saudi Arabia being part of it. I guess despite knowing the reality we signed pact with Saudis just bcz of religious significance. Though the current Saudi leadership doesn't have a ounce of Islam in them.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Iran will get a much better deal with the next US administration.

Not really. In next elections old scum will be replaced by new scum. Isreali lobby is grabbing the US by its neck.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Not really. In next elections old scum will be replaced by new scum. Isreali lobby is grabbing the US by its neck.

Those days are over.

Have you seen Trump’s approval rating?

Next president will not want Trump’s approval rating.

 

[Falcon29]

Trump is now offering unconditional (well only one condition) unilateral ceasefire. If I was in Irans shoes I would take it and give yourself time to recoup and recover until next administration

 

[Falcon29]

Saudis massacred dozens of Iraqis but apparently when they do the killing they are not escalating

We know what you are

Dunno what you mean by last part but based on facts Saudis did not initiate any attack on Iraq until Iraqi militias fired ballistic missiles and drones at their oil facilities/pipelines and struck them. And then Saudis stopped after that rather measured retailation.

Iraqis in my opinion will call a spade a spade and this stops. Iraqi government does not want more instability or to be drawn into more conflicts. Saudis likewise aren't going to escalate. They've explicitly stated they ended their retaliation and have no intention to attack if not attacked.

Saudis are also big reason why US cannot mount a larger and expanded air campaign against Iran.

IRGC also do not intend to mount some significant assault (such as some rumored ones I've been seeing on social media) as they're managing the conflict well and have now gotten Trump to stand down and could actually use next two years to build a nuclear weapon if they play it right

 

[Flotilla]

Unfortunately you forget that both KSA and Israel have been on the same page until just recently. Both were somehow put in power by the Brits along with Pahlavis of Iran and Kemal Pasha of Turkey.

You forget, ISIS was a co-production of KSA, Israel, NATO and Arab states with Wahabi ideology.

When the kingdom denied any connection to Wahabism, the movement officially died.

But without Iranian fight against ISIS in the beginning, they could turn into the best excuse for Americans stay in the region for an other century to come.

USA creates cancers and uses them to spread tumor in the body of civilizations. ISIS was the very case to pollute Muslim world.

ISIS has zero to do with Sunni masses.

Moreover, one of the reasons for 7 October uprising was that Saudis were closed to join the Abraham Accords.

 

[Eşbah]

Trump is now offering unconditional (well only one condition) unilateral ceasefire. If I was in Irans shoes I would take it and give yourself time to recoup and recover until next administration

How many more lives must be lost before even the least informed person realizes that the 'breaks' during the 'fight' are far more advantageous to the US than to Iran? With over 10,000+ pages of documented war and discussions, we still haven't progressed from the most basic mistakes.

Iran needs tempo and continuity in its attacks; not some 15 minutes water breaks.

 

[Falcon29]

I am happy with the new Pakistan ,turkey,Saudi Arabia defence agreement but not happy Saudi Arabia being part of it. I guess despite knowing the reality we signed pact with Saudis just bcz of religious significance. Though the current Saudi leadership doesn't have a ounce of Islam in them.

They don't want militias in the region. Even in Syria they're giving the Sharaa guy a chance to prove he's willing to build a institution for state. Iran on other hand seems them as integral part of revolution and this where interests collide.

The situations in Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Libya, and others in past decade has basically pushed stable actors to reduce presence of non state actors.

It's a tragedy in Palestine because Palestinian movements like Hamas and Islamic Jihad are state actors and shouldn't be grouped with non state actors that try to challenge grip of state on the nation

 

[muhammed45]

Moreover, one of the reasons for 7 October uprising was that Saudis were closed to join the Abraham Accords.

The region needed that 7th October uprising. By region, i mean Islamic world in west Asia.

People might also forget that behind these conflicts, there is a clash of civilizations, ideologies and religious beliefs.

That's why USA is ready to completely sacrifice its national security for the sake of Israel. These retards have launched whatever they got towards Iran, forgetting that China is is getting stronger beyond their imagination.

Nothing can cause this stupidity, except an strong belief in something.

Muslims of Palestine started it, we continued and we will continue until USA says enough is enough. I quit

Actually, what Iran does, is increasing cost of holding Israel to a point that it burns USA's dirty hands forcing them to drop that Cancer.