Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[retaxis]

One never knows what the mad man and dis cronies will do. I think the Pentagon has just proposed to US gov that US can and should use tactile nukes in conventional wars that the US can't win.

China and Russia will make it clear to trumpet that this can not happen. Trump only respects Xi and Putin so he will take their word and know the seriousness. I really doubt that America will use nukes, remember how the russians keep talking about using nukes at the start of ukraine war? Its just talk to plant fear thats all.

 

[ety]

China and Russia will make it clear to trumpet that this can not happen. Trump only respects Xi and Putin so he will take their word and know the seriousness. I really doubt that America will use nukes, remember how the russians keep talking about using nukes at the start of ukraine war? Its just talk to plant fear thats all.

Pentagon's ultimate targets of permitting first use of tactical nukes in wars are obviously China and Russia. They think China and Russia dare not to escalate to full scale nuke wars.

 

[Immortals]

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This is why you don’t stop fighting till a deal is signed and ratified as either a treaty or UN Security Council resolution.

Iran naively believed Trump not once (initial ceasefire agreement) but twice (finalized MoU). This is after negotiating multiple times with Trump and getting attacked each time (2020 Solemani assassination, June 2025 12 day war, and 2026 March war).

Iranian leadership is clearly the most naive on the planet.

 

[retaxis]

Pentagon's ultimate targets of permitting first use of tactical nukes in wars are obviously China and Russia. They think China and Russia dare not to escalate to full scale nuke wars.

Trumps a business first and foremost, he will always strike bargains and make appropriate deals with Russia and China.

Even when the trade war was at its worst between US and China, Trump knew when to back down and strike a bargain. I don't think he will use nukes tbh, i was more fearful of putin using nukes out of desperation than trump.

Plus Trump has a few other cards to play first before that option enters the mind. Such as a limited ground invasion utilising kurds-US forces to occupy iranian kurdistan or even bombing Irans oil facilities and de salination plants.

 

[retaxis]

This is why you don’t stop fighting till a deal is signed and ratified as either a treaty or UN Security Council resolution.

Iran naively believed Trump not once (initial ceasefire agreement) but twice (finalized MoU). This is after negotiating multiple times with Trump and getting attacked each time (2020 Solemani assassination, June 2025 12 day war, and 2026 March war).

Iranian leadership is clearly the most naive on the planet.

I think Iran learnt their lesson now. Before the old leader was quite anti war right? Now they are dug in for the long haul probably preparing for a ground invasion also.

For a while with the mute response to soleimani assassination, supreme leader assassination and the pagers blowing up killing hezzbollah and their families, Iran looked like they were in big trouble but now they look a lot more formidable

 

[ety]

Trumps a business first and foremost, he will always strike bargains and make appropriate deals with Russia and China.

Even when the trade war was at its worst between US and China, Trump knew when to back down and strike a bargain. I don't think he will use nukes tbh, i was more fearful of putin using nukes out of desperation than trump.

Plus Trump has a few other cards to play first before that option enters the mind. Such as a limited ground invasion utilising kurds-US forces to occupy iranian kurdistan or even bombing Irans oil facilities and de salination plants.

The case of Iran might not be urgent for him. But, the Pentagon's ultimate targets of such policy are China and Russia obviously.

 

[retaxis]

The case of Iran might not be urgent for him. But, the Pentagon's ultimate targets of such policy are China and Russia obviously.

I heard Marco Rubio recently talk on Fox news about China and his tone has changed significantly. He was talking about how catastrophic a war between America and China would be and how that should be avoided.

But there is no doubt they want to slow Chinas rise but right now China dominates nearly all the technological sectors besides semiconductors so there is not much they can do.

But yeah we will see what happens, Chinas strategy for the last 30yrs has been do nothing and win.

 

[RzA]

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[Immortals]

I think Iran learnt their lesson now. Before the old leader was quite anti war right? Now they are dug in for the long haul probably preparing for a ground invasion also.

Iran hasn’t learned their lesson because they are de facto accepting an economic blockade of Iranian ports with no response on the aggressor or their supporters. Those ships cannot stay out there without Oman naval base and Diego Garcia and UAE providing fuel and supplies.

Would China accept a U.S. blockade?
Would Russia accept a U.S. blockade?
Would Pakistan accept a U.S. blockade?
Would North Korea accept a U.S. blockade?
Would Turkey accept a U.S. blockade?

We are back to this “strategic patience” of waiting out the blockade. A stupid idea and shows that the power centers of IR are out of ideas and taking the least confrontational way and opening that a breakthru comes from the skies.

Clearly the idea that $4 gasoline and $5.50 diesel will make Trump give up is not working. Trump is selfish enough to not care for himself or his party or any other human alive.

China has also once again show itself as a western appeaser as it cut oil imports starting in March thru the summer to help the West survive its war. What did China receive from doing this? It’s unclear. But China has 1 billion+ oil reserve that it can tap into to make up for the 10MBPD shortfall coming out of Hormuz. That’s what they did in June.

So in short, Iran’s attempt to wait the U.S. out is not the best strategy and a symptom of decision paralysis. This anti confrontational behavior has time and time again backfired on Iran.