Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Ali_Baba said:
By that measure, can Turkiye attack IDF troops in Syria, Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza, Somaliland and still not be technically attacking Israel? None of these territories that Israel occupies are Israeli territory, and any presence of IDF can be treated as terrorists?
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Israel don't play by rules, And US/EU will just toe their line against Turkiye if it comes to that.
 
Magi said:
But Israel does exist, and was always going to come into existence as a progression of western imperial growth.

Turkish take over of Syria on the other hand was not part of the deal when Israel and US rallied Europe, PGCC and Turkey to take down Syria. All that treasure was not spent by the alliance for Turkey, a junior member to take it all, and it will not be tolerated. Turkey cannot do anything about this because itself is a western protectorate. It is amazing how people fail to see this.



Don't get me wrong, Turkey has inherent strengths. To take on Israel it will have to go through a total revolutionary and painful transformation. That is not in the cards.
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The point is Israel existed and they are wrecking havoc in the middle east. None of this would have happened if they just lived in peace and try to forge peace with its neighbours. Follow the Singapore model.

Whether it sees itself as a western state or not, is not the point. The government need to realise this fast and act decisively because by the time you decide to act, it will be too late to deter Israel.
 
Magi said:
There is no evidence for that. They tried to hand over the nuclear program in the negotiations until Feb 27.
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Because they thought they would military lose. They held out and achieved deterrence through strikes against arab oil.
 
Hayabusa said:
The point is Israel existed and they are wrecking havoc in the middle east. None of this would have happened if they just lived in peace and try to forge peace with its neighbours. Follow the Singapore model.

Whether it sees itself as a western state or not, is not the point. The government need to realise this fast and act decisively because by the time you decide to act, it will be too late to deter Israel.
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That's neither here nor there. It would be impossible. Israel is Israel, Singapore is Singapore. The reality is what it is.

Another reality is that Turkey is a western protectorate and will not do a thing against Israel. If it does, it will either experience a coup d'état or a metamorphosis.
 
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Jalz said:
Because they thought they would military lose. They held out and achieved deterrence through strikes against arab oil.
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What deterrence? US literally ran out of targets in Iran. All kinds of conventional military and industrial targets have been levelled. From steel to water bottling plants. There is a physical blockade on Iran and oil export is zero while Saudi and UAE freely export oil. Essential imports can't come in. The currency went from 80,000 toman to 1 dollar in Jan 2025 to 190,000 today. And you are talking about deterrence?

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Jalz said:
That "demand" is artificially caused by low prices. Price liberalization or effective rationing(what russia does despite their refineries being struck) can easily be implemented. Iran could always escalate by opening the tunnels of the Esfahan enrichment facility. If the US wants to attack again be our guest.
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Last time iran tried to touch fuel subsidies massive riots broke out that crippled the country for weeks.
 
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Iran is always all talk and no action. They said if Israel ever attacked they would destroy Israel. So far Israel has started two wars and killed countless generals and even the leader of the country and Iran still has truly confront Israel.

Just tiring hearing these fake threats all the time.
 
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14 years later same story different moron.
 
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Immortals said:
Last time iran tried to touch fuel subsidies massive riots broke out that crippled the country for weeks.
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They don't have to do price liberalization now. Right now they should ration gasoline to each automobile owner and reimplement COVID era "work/school from home" measures. Would be far more efficient than whatever our retarded politicians are doing now.
 
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