Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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all the reformists are mobilising to support diplomacy
 
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Iranians think that Iran and reformists are caving in.. Americans and Israelis think that Iran is playing a deception game
 
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While I do not support the particular language used in this tweet the underlying premise is correct. After Axios fake headlines failed to move markets, the Trump administration is returning back to fake peace deal news.

Munir’s visit will be used by Trump and Axios for a flurry of fake headlines on how a new peace deal is near. It is unlikely Munir has a deal that isn’t short of capitulation for Iran.

Clearly Iran has not learned its lesson on influencing global markets

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BREAKING: The US military has permanently lost access to 15 Persian Gulf bases, with Iran now poised to control access to the Gulf states, and the US having to negotiate new access in western Saudi Arabia, Israel, and southern Europe, per retired four-star US Gen. Barry McCaffrey.

This comes as the Trump administration is already weighing a smaller US military presence in the Persian Gulf due to damaged bases, and the Pentagon saying it might not rebuild its US bases as they were before the Iran war.
 
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hasn2009 said:
Who will protect Iran, is it Saudi? Pakistan? or Turkey?
Even a super power like USA wasn't able to protect any of the Middle Eastern countries from Iran.
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It's not about just protecting through deployment of troops. It's providing them with ammunition, equipments to fight any form of conflict. And yes, if they sign the treaty, it's their responsibility to abide and protect.

But then again, this is still a wet dream though I really want Iran to join if the opportunity presents itself.
 
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Immortals said:
This is how it begins. Israel tests the redlines and once they realize you won’t respond they will get more and more brazen.

That is what happened to Iran in Syria. Iranian leadership foolishly accepted that “well Israel attacking us in Syria is a 3rd country and not attacking Iranian soil so it’s fair game” and what did that lead to? Hundreds of strikes on Iranian and Iranian aligned forces and equipment in span of a decade. Eventually the strikes came to Iranian soil either way.

So for Turkey, if it follows the same blind eye to these attacks they will only get worse over time and more frequent.

Turkey needs to do a strong attack on Israeli forces in Golan to send a response. Or else it will lose the deterrence war before it even begins.
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Immortals said:
Iran is also the only country since Saddam’s Iraq to have directly attacked Israeli soil multiple times over. Its fault was waiting too long to get to that point. Turkey is still actively economically trading with Israel as we speak.

So I cannot take Turkey seriously until after it takes action. Which until now it’s unclear if they even plan to. No high level Turkish official has said they would respond. They were all quick to come out and say no Turkish soldiers were at the site and they have nothing to do with that site. That prevents Turkey from having to respond.

I don’t think this will be the end of this saga.
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You're not entirely wrong, but you're mixing things up.

Turkey has consistently bolstered its military presence in Syria. This isn’t the first time Israel has launched an attack. They attempted to intimidate Turkey again because their initial bombings didn’t achieve the desired effect.

Moreover, Turkey and Iran are not really on the same level. Turkey requires a solid decade of steady growth to complete most of our essential defense projects. On the other hand, Iran has been somewhat sluggish; you've pointed out several instances where Iran has struggled to develop and produce the necessary equipment, even though they had the resources.

However, there's one area where your evaluation is spot on. If Israel takes out our soldiers, we need to respond in kind - and I truly believe we will.

For the time being, we should steer clear of war. It’s not in our best interest.
 
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Impossible as long as Epstieins boyTOY MBS is "king", Saudia will continue to be Vassal state for Zionism
 
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