Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RzA]

What a clown show Iran has become. Good riddance. Marg Bar x,y,z continues to be our best retaliation.

 

[Watandar]

Looks like Bessent's barking isn't bringing any relief in energy prices.



Trump's rear end is cooked in the midterms if Iran keeps this up.

 

[Avicenna]

Yes it hurts Indonesian economy as it will enlarge the subsidy for our gasoline

But as human and Muslim, I do care with Iranian people.

Iranian hardline dream is to end the war by their hardline approach, they will keep doing that because that approach already become the ego and their hardline narratives. Their narrative and power may lost if more pragmatic approach by the opposite power in Iran are successful.

Previous MOU deal is the win of pragmatic Iranian, this is why they sabotage it with launching missile to the oil tanker wanting to pass the strait

The hardline doesnt want lost power in Iran and they will sacrifice Iranian lives, Iranian economy, Iranian future for that

This is a wrong understanding of the situation brother.

This war was forced upon them.

 

[GWXP]

His son is a son of a b*tch

 

[retaxis]

Exactly, China's world doesn't exactly mainly revolves around Iran or Iran war as some members like to see. China has its national interests and priorities.

China does support Iran and has put its neck out there for Iran but will also chase after their own interests too like every nation does.

Its in Chinas interest to have the strait open for business but China is not crying about it either. India who has significantly closer geopolitical relations with Iran threw Iran under the bus first chance they got. But of course no one talks about superpower motherland betraying Iran

 

[HAIDER]

Isn't that the whole point of ethnic cleansing and genocide? to reduce the population of a particular group of people in a region?

Yes, but imagine, jew never on this land but appeared from Europe. But how long they will hold the ground !!!!!... a so called Zionist state always on the state of emergency.

 

[Immortals]

On the other hand China is supporting Iran with dual use materials and are not abiding by the US sanctions/blockades. Who else is doing that besides China?

Can you show me the last time a Chinese tanker arrived at Kharg or Jask? Chinese ships are now using Oman route and are being rejected more and more by Iran due to this tense situation.

The China glazing on this forum is hilarious. China hasn’t done a major anti imperialist move against the West since Mao died. If anything they have fully embraced western imperialism and built their economic growth engine on it for last 40 years.

Sure, Now they are transitioning to domestic consumption economy because western companies began moving more operations to Vietnam and India due to political situation. But China still needs the West and vice versa. China’s window to confront the West is also dwindling as their population is rapidly aging and dying. So China’s window to confront the west in any meanginful way is the next 25 years maybe less.

I doubt any menaognful confrontation will happen under Xi. He will avoid confrontation at all costs just like Khamenai did. Looks like it will be up to the next Chinese Chairman to set a new course.

 

[Immortals]

China does support Iran and has put its neck out there for Iran but will also chase after their own interests too like every nation does.

Put its neck out for Iran? Like supporting UN Security Council resolutions for decades against Iran?

The only reason China even bought Iranian oil was because they would get 10–15 dollar per barrel discounts versus other grades of oil. It was too profitable to pass up. Now that Iranian oil is trading a premium, they have cut imports.

China’s Iran oil imports make less than 10% of daily consumption.

China has far more business ties with Pakistan, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey then it does with Iran. Iran is just one of many countries China does trade with. There is no special treatment here. Both sides distrust the other to expand ties in a meaningful way.

 

[ety]

Can you show me the last time a Chinese tanker arrived at Kharg or Jask? Chinese ships are now using Oman route and are being rejected more and more by Iran due to this tense situation.

The China glazing on this forum is hilarious. China hasn’t done a major anti imperialist move against the West since Mao died. If anything they have fully embraced western imperialism and built their economic growth engine on it for last 40 years.

Sure, Now they are transitioning to domestic consumption economy because western companies began moving more operations to Vietnam and India due to political situation. But China still needs the West and vice versa. China’s window to confront the West is also dwindling as their population is rapidly aging and dying. So China’s window to confront the west in any meanginful way is the next 25 years maybe less.

I doubt any menaognful confrontation will happen under Xi. He will avoid confrontation at all costs just like Khamenai did. Looks like it will be up to the next Chinese Chairman to set a new course.

Simply put, China's national goal or policy now and has been for decades is not to intentional confront the US or West. China is not seeking world hegemony or domination as the US does. China just will fight be it in war for its core interests when they are violated. China's days of supporting revolutionaries outside China even it meant directly confronting the US in wars is long gone. To some people, this might be disappointing, but face it, China of zealot Mao era is long gone and won't be back. China is a pragmatic country for some time.

 

[Nawnaw1]

Aren't there 10s of millions of barrels of Iranian oil sitting on Asian shores? Which China is buying piece by piece? Or anybody else for that matter since Asia is starving of oil?

 

[retaxis]

Put its neck out for Iran? Like supporting UN Security Council resolutions for decades against Iran?

The only reason China even bought Iranian oil was because they would get 10–15 dollar per barrel discounts versus other grades of oil. It was too profitable to pass up. Now that Iranian oil is trading a premium, they have cut imports.

China’s Iran oil imports make less than 10% of daily consumption.

China has far more business ties with Pakistan, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey then it does with Iran. Iran is just one of many countries China does trade with. There is no special treatment here. Both sides distrust the other to expand ties in a meaningful way.

Your closest ally India completely threw you under the bus while China still sent you dual use materials to help you fight a war. Let you use chinese beidou sateliite system so you can target the Americans and Israelis even though China owns you absolutely nothing. Who China does business with is none of your concern, when did you sign a mutual defence treaty with China?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Very strange list as 2/5 of these guys have already been killed months ago.

 

[ety]

Your closest ally India completely threw you under the bus while China still sent you dual use materials to help you fight a war. Let you use chinese beidou sateliite system so you can target the Americans and Israelis even though China owns you absolutely nothing. Who China does business with is none of your concern, when did you sign a mutual defence treaty with China?

Lol, some of them would like China to go out to fight the US directly for them and back their country 100% all the time no matter what. Anything less is betraying them. For God's sake, China is an independent sovereign nation, not someone's puppet.

 

[retaxis]

Lol, some of them would like China to go out to fight the US directly for them and back their country 100% all the time no matter what. Anything less is betraying them. For God's sake, China is an independent sovereign nation, not someone's puppet.

The same country which has done what exactly for China to begin with? Practically nothing and thats not just Iran but venezuela too. I responded to Immortals but my posts got deleted anyway.

At least NK is willing to fight for China and China will fight for NK if war breaks out but China has better relations with the GCC economically than Iran and has done more for Iran than any other country in the world during this whole war.