Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BHAN85]

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man I really am bad with the internet I honestly ever only use it to read news or go on this site I even know there’s an app you can get for this site but it takes a few steps to get but I honestly thought DuckDuckGo was a fake thing but it’s real and I’m behind in the times I guess ok back to the thread

Change from Google to DuckDuckGo it's like change from cocacola to pepsi.

If you want a search engine far from Western claws, you can use Yandex (Russia) or Baidu (China).

But of course, it's unusable for non-Russian or non-Chinese spoken people.

So there is no escape.

And yes, too off topic.

 

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[Magi]

The key to Iran success is persuade GCC to drop USA,

The key is to convince the arm of your enemy to detatch itself from your enemy.

 

[F.O.X]

Iran was handed a political victory on a silver platter. They had survived the initial assault, shown that they could hurt the other side and created enough pressure to bring everyone to the negotiating table. They did not need to defeat the US militarily, they only needed to take the deal, preserve their gains and dclare victory.

But the IRGC mistook leverage for superiority. They overestimated their own strength, underestimated the military and economic imbalance and thought that more escalation would bring them even better terms.

Now their own leadership is looking for negotiations, but the other side is no longer responding. Why would they? Iran rejected talks when its leverage was at its strongest and is now asking for the same talks from a much weaker position.

There is a difference between having enough power to force negotiations and having enough power to dictate the outcome. The IRGC failed to understand that difference and squandered a win that was already in their hands.

 

[Master Chief]

Nonetheless, those countries have a right to their Waters as they see fit.

As for Trump, he's a delusional scumball renaming lakes and gulfs

You're right, of course, that maritime law applicable to Iran must also be applicable to Oman, regarding territorial waters. But the issue here is that the terms of a MoU implemented in June were broken by a certain entitled nation state who calls itself an "ally" of the USA. Amidst the bellicose drama between Iran and USA, it is easily forgotten that Tel Aviv chose to continue assaulting Lebanon and killing Lebanese civilians, even proudly attesting to the fact, as the terms of the MoU were enabled.

Those terms originally included the mandate by which the SoH would be governed, regardless of any default maritime law.

I don't see how any diplomatic solution can work because of one specific spoiler.

 

[Master Chief]

Missiles easily made, cant replace launches. I do hope Iranian military planners did not forget this critical bit of launches losses… And having some replacement in there stock ….

There's a reason US targeted the steel and materials industry through direct military action and sanctions.

 

[KingQamaR]

I’m sure they can replace them man Houthis have them Hezbollah has them and etc

Why the intensity and quantity of missiles fired from Iran are getting smaller everyday . Now they are only firing a couple of missiles. It’s not about how many missiles u have, but how many working platforms they still have to fire the missiles from, and these platforms are getting destroyed everyday . Im not sure IRGC can replace these expensive platforms this easily or quickly.

 

[Flotilla]

If true, It is just the second time Irán used anti ship ballistic missile against a ship during the whole war. Unlike the Houthies, seems obvious that Irán doesn't want to escalate and just do It when being hit first.

 

[Flotilla]

IRGC keeps falling for US pauses in fake ceasefires. Giving US time to-rearm.

Returning to Irans missile stocks.

I would imagine they may have more than what’s been let on. Production of 100 a month 12 =1,200 a guess production time of 15 Years would mean they may have 18,000.

It really is guess work but because they have relied on missiles over an airforce I would imagine they have more than what’s been theorised.

Targeting launchers would be the key to reduce Irans capabilities in frequency of her missile launches.

Or they are saving missiles for Israel after us war ends.

Ok but for chasing the launchers you must enter inside Iranian airspace and fly during hours in a mountanous terrain to watch the launchers getting out from the bases, not to mention the decoy launchers.

No, destroying the launchers cannot be a tactic. It require sacrifice of aircrafts and crews and months.

And remember, in 2027 the Su35 would eventually come and that would even complicate any military solution.

IMO that strategic patience is intented to wait for a new US President.

Anyway it will take more than two years. And without inspections Iran would eventually have enough fissile material for dozens of nuclear warheads.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran was handed a political victory on a silver platter. They had survived the initial assault, shown that they could hurt the other side and created enough pressure to bring everyone to the negotiating table. They did not need to defeat the US militarily, they only needed to take the deal, preserve their gains and dclare victory.

But the IRGC mistook leverage for superiority. They overestimated their own strength, underestimated the military and economic imbalance and thought that more escalation would bring them even better terms.

Now their own leadership is looking for negotiations, but the other side is no longer responding. Why would they? Iran rejected talks when its leverage was at its strongest and is now asking for the same talks from a much weaker position.

There is a difference between having enough power to force negotiations and having enough power to dictate the outcome. The IRGC failed to understand that difference and squandered a win that was already in their hands.

The USA violated item 1(Lebanon ceasefire) and every other item in the MOU deal. Trump had no intention to honor the deal and he did not do so.

Lets not try and rewrite history falsely.

 

[BHAN85]

The key is to convince the arm of your enemy to detatch itself from your enemy.

it's already happening, USA is declining as empire. USA is dropping vassals, and vassals seek new defense pacts.

of course this make israel and hasbaras go crazy.

 

[muhammed45]

Iran was handed a political victory on a silver platter. They had survived the initial assault, shown that they could hurt the other side and created enough pressure to bring everyone to the negotiating table. They did not need to defeat the US militarily, they only needed to take the deal, preserve their gains and dclare victory.

But the IRGC mistook leverage for superiority. They overestimated their own strength, underestimated the military and economic imbalance and thought that more escalation would bring them even better terms.

Now their own leadership is looking for negotiations, but the other side is no longer responding. Why would they? Iran rejected talks when its leverage was at its strongest and is now asking for the same talks from a much weaker position.

There is a difference between having enough power to force negotiations and having enough power to dictate the outcome. The IRGC failed to understand that difference and squandered a win that was already in their hands.

You missed a few points my friend.

First, Iran is not the aggressor, and the aggressor side has to agree to logical conditions of defending side. According to international laws, USA's attack on a sovereign nation was illegal. Given that USA under Trump is a dumbfuck as a whole, you cannot expect logic from them. When the other side doesn't accept logic, you will be forced into implementing aggressive measures.

Moreover Iran is not and was not looking for some kind of victory, its 47 years that USA has been designing sedition to get rid of Islamic republic which it sees as the biggest obstacle on the way of full control of middle east and Islamic world in general.

This fight is not Trump's sudden decision, its been postponed for 47 years. Jimmy Carter tried it, Trump will not have a better ending. Point is, Trump was foolish enough to try it an Zionists abused his idiocy.

Now all it returns to this, was Trump's decision an act of idiocy? It will be clarified after waves of fights not behind keyboards. If we bring our hands down, the whole blood of resistance forces from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen etc will be in vain. Simple as that.

 

[Homajon]

Good video

 

[Musings]

Good video

Saw these videos - complete contrast compared to the crap we are fed in the UK for example

 

[Professor Jiang]