Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Ali_Baba]

I have a feeling the Zionazis might be willing to risk it more, however that will present Iran with greater opportunity of shootdowns. The bombs being delivered are likely dumb bombs so the Zionazis will have no choice but to fly deep into Iranian airspace. Iranians better be ready for it.

Those dumb bombs are for Lebanon, Syria, West Bank and maybe even Turkiye/Egypt at a stretch. Next genocide is incoming.

 

[IceCold]

All the more reason Iran should have immediately retaliated fiercely. Sure it launched a few missiles here and there

In the end, it didn't amount to much.

Of course we have to take Israel's retaliation into the equation. If thousands of them were killed Trump wouldn't be able to hold them back anymore.

They would inflict Mass casualties on the other side too

Remember they have second strike capability and the Samson option which I hope by the way never happens

I can only assume that Iran was hauling for a long run as this has been proven that the conflict does not seem to end anytime soon. Yes Israel does have a 2nd strike capability but between the 2 sides, I don't think Israel can win over Iran in a nuclear exchange due to the nature of their size.
I am not bringing in the US, whether the US would actually used their own nuclear weapons as well or not, what would have been the opinion of the American public and whether or not Congress could restrict Trump over use of nuclear weapons.
There had been some news previously where trump wanted to use tactical weapons but was opposed.

 

[KAL-EL]

I can only assume that Iran was hauling for a long run as this has been proven that the conflict does not seem to end anytime soon. Yes Israel does have a 2nd strike capability but between the 2 sides, I don't think Israel can win over Iran in a nuclear exchange due to the nature of their size.
I am not bringing in the US, whether the US would actually used their own nuclear weapons as well or not, what would have been the opinion of the American public and whether or not Congress could restrict Trump over use of nuclear weapons.
There had been some news previously where trump wanted to use tactical weapons but was opposed.

Israel is essentially a one bomb state. However the Israelis have second strike capability.

If Israel's going to go down they're going to drag most of the Middle East with them. They will activate the Samson option

Millions of Christians and Muslims will be killed

Let's certainly hope it doesn't come to that

Iran has depth, a lot more than israel. However if Israel does have nuclear weapons and uses them it could still kill millions of Iranians

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Israel is essentially a one bomb state. However the Israelis have second strike capability.

If Israel's going to go down they're going to drag most of the Middle East with them. They will activate the Samson option

Millions of Christians and Muslims will be killed

Let's certainly hope it doesn't come to that

Iran has depth, a lot more than israel. However if Israel does have nuclear weapons and uses them it could still kill millions of Iranians

what goes around, comes around!

 

[Flotilla]

If Israel's going to go down they're going to drag most of the Middle East with them. They will activate the Samson option

In few months Irán will have "Zulfiqar" option also.
It is a matter of time.
As clear as the Sun will rise tomorrow. Everyone knows it and even Trump is pointing in his speeches to that option.

 

[Flotilla]

I believe the UAE has some sort of agreement with Iran regarding oil.

On one hand, Iran does not attack its oil facilities or ships (with a few exceptions to create a smokescreen), and in return, the UAE ships Iranian crude out through the Strait of Hormuz, bound for the West.

This type of arrangement would reconcile the fact that significant amounts of crude are leaving through the Strait, Iran's reluctance to attack the UAE, and the flights from the UAE to Tehran or Karaj—which likely involve hard-currency payments to Tehran.

If there are further flights from the UAE to Tehran in the coming months, the signs will become more obvious.

 

[KAL-EL]

In few months Irán will have "Zulfiqar" option also.
It is a matter of time.
As clear as the Sun will rise tomorrow. Everyone knows it and even Trump is pointing in his speeches to that option.

Okay and? It still doesn't stop the Israelis with their second strike capability.

 

[OldTwilight]

Okay and? It still doesn't stop the Israelis with their second strike capability.

Our first strike is enough to obliterate Israel

 

[KAL-EL]

Our first strike is enough to obliterate Israel

Do you even know what second strike capability is? It's to ensure that even if a country is wiped out it will be able to launch its own nuclear weapons.

The US, Russia and China also have second strike capability but on a much bigger scale obviously

 

[KAL-EL]

Do you even know that Iran is 100 times larger than Israel with a super mountainous terrain? One strategic nuke would wipe half of Israel off the map. It's literally a flat shit-stain on the map.

There's no argument Israel would not survive a nuclear attack. But you make it sound like it would be a one way attack.

Israel will launch a Samson option and basically make most of the Middle East uninhabitable and killing millions of Muslims and Christians.

Iran has a lot more depth than Israel but a few nukes could destroy Tehran and other cities killing millions of Iranians

It might be wise to remember that before acting like it would be a one-way attack
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One does not nuke another nuclear armed country in a vacuum. this isn't some video game

 

[ShapurII]

There's no argument Israel would not survive a nuclear attack. But you make it sound like it would be a one way attack.

Israel will launch a Samson option and basically make most of the Middle East uninhabitable and killing millions of Muslims and Christians.

Iran has a lot more depth than Israel but a few nukes could destroy Tehran and other cities killing millions of Iranians

It might be wise to remember that before acting like it would be a one-way attack

I read your earlier post and retracted my comment. You'd already discussed what I had said.

Honestly, the Sampson option is nonsense. They can target population centers around the world, but making the entire Middle East inhabitable is nonsense.

Even Iran alone won't become inhabitable with just 200 nukes, even if all of them have the yield of the Tsar bomb

And what do you think will be the consequence of that for Israel and the Jews? Sure, they can target all major population centers of Iran, Middle East and Europe with their nukes. But if Israel uses the Samson option, not only every Israeli will be killed, but I'm sure the rest of the world will make sure that not even a single Jew will remain alive after that.

 

[KAL-EL]

I read your earlier post and retracted my comment. You'd already discussed what I had said.

Honestly, the Sampson option is nonsense. They can target population centers around the world, but making the entire Middle East inhabitable is nonsense.

Even Iran alone won't become inhabitable with just 200 nukes, even if all of them have the yield of the Tsar bomb

And what do you think will be the consequence of that for Israel and the Jews? If Israel uses the Samson option, not only every Israeli will be killed, but I'm sure the rest of the world will make sure that not even a single Jew will remain alive after that.

Israel would only use the Samsung option as of last resort. And yes, a lot of the Middle East would become uninhabitable.

And I'll repeat what I said, millions of Muslims and Christians would die.

You got to stay in the real world man. This isn't some video game. We're talking millions of lives.

Anyway this is all talk anyway as I don't see anything like that happening anytime soon. Mutually assured destruction.

 

[ShapurII]

Israel would only use the Samsung option as of last resort. And yes, a lot of the Middle East would become uninhabitable.

No, it won't. Even the radiation radius of the Tsar bomb, hundreds of them, won't cover the entire Iran. Let alone the entire Middle East. And the Tsar bomb has the highest yield of all nuclear bombs ever tested at 50 megatons. Most of the Israeli arsenal will not even get close to 1 megatons probably, probably a few hundred kilotons at best for each warhead. And we're assuming it detonates at a high altitude for maximum radiation.

And I'll repeat what I said, millions of Muslims and Christians would die.

And? All Jews will die too.

You got to stay in the real world man. This isn't some video game. We're talking millions of lives.

You said it yourself. It's a worst case scenario.

 

[Hayabusa]

And what exactly would this pre-emptive strike entail and which targets?

Military targets parked in Israel's airbase that are planning to strike Iran? F-35s, F-15s, tankers ammunition depot and runways. The focus should be on these targets.

What size of missiles? How many missiles would need to be launched to ensure a successful strike knowing that between Israel, the US, Jordan and possibly KSA, upwards of 90% of the missiles would be intercepted?

Target key airbases like Nevatim, Hatzerim, Tel Nof, and Ramon with a calculated barrage of roughly 50 missiles delivered in four distinct waves offers the best chance at penetration.

The assault should begin with older saturation platforms like the Ghadr or Emad series to draw out defenses.

Once the defensive grid is occupied, follow up with high-end hypersonic and precision assets, specifically the Kheibar Shekan or Fattah series.

Incorporating Khorramshahr cluster munitions early on will widen the strike area across the airfields while rapidly burning through the defender's active interceptor inventory.

Given the current logistical strain on local air defenses, keeping up a sustained interception rate will be nearly impossible once those missiles have to reload.

If Iran managed to cause real destruction during the 12-day war when defense systems were fully loaded, there is no reason to believe they would be unable to inflict serious damage this time around under depleted conditions.

Iran has also taken the initiative to strike first. So I don't see why they cannot do it again.

Are you confident Iran has the missiles and more importantly the launchers to launch such a strike?

I am confident they still have plenty of launchers available, especially considering how they have managed to strike bases in Jordan with impunity even after nearly seven months of continuous conflict. At this point, any operational bottleneck comes down to a shortage of actual missiles rather than a lack of launchers.

Would the Houthis be involved or allow them to continue their attacks on KSA? Or perhaps a coordinated strike on KSA to distract it while the Iranian attack is underway?

That is ultimately up to the Houthis to decide. From my perspective, they are currently tied up with Saudi Arabia, so we should not expect too much heavy lifting from them right now. The real expectation is for Iran to step up and take the initiative and they will remain the primary focus of my argument.

Are drones factored into this or not?

Drones are essentially off the table for deep strikes due to the extreme distance, unless they manage to acquire and deploy a jet-powered variant like the Geran-5. Even if long-range drones are utilized, their deployment makes far more sense against nearby regional assets, such as Israeli staging areas or launch pads in Erbil.



Ultimately, my analysis revolves around Iran taking the initiative. Israel is no longer pulling its punches and is already showing clear signs of escalating the conflict. While I can offer strategic assessments, the final choices rest entirely with Iranian leadership. The operational approach here mirrors a basic street fight. You do not sit back and wait for the adversary to throw a sucker punch but instead bring the fight directly to their doorstep by throwing the first punch.