Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[HERO]

The Western world is still living in a dream. If a U.S. nuclear strike on Iran is acceptable, then Russia's nuclear strike on America's vassal states in Europe is equally acceptable! And then what? The U.S. has a problem with that and then launches a nuclear attack on Russia? Does the U.S. have the courage? Does the U.S. have any experience fighting a peer opponent? Bombing weak countries, bombing kindergarten children—does that prove American strength? Sorry, this world has not only Russia but also China! The bottom line is that conventional war can be fought, but if you cross the line and start a nuclear war, who's afraid of you?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Pay bit of attention here. Oil flow through Hormuz is coming back to normal, only exception being Iran. Who apparently have control over Hormuz lol

If you was wondering why Trump isn't interested in peace deal anymore.

 

[HERO]

You keep saying this over and over again. Where is your proof that the US nuclear-use doctrine is contingent on prior approval by China, Russia, or even France (LOL)?

The Western world is still living in a dream. If a U.S. nuclear strike on Iran is justified, then Russia's nuclear strike on America's vassal states in Europe is equally justified! And then what? The U.S. has a problem with that and then launches a nuclear attack on Russia? Does the U.S. have the courage for that? Does the U.S. have any experience fighting a peer adversary? Bombing weak countries, bombing kindergarten children—does that prove America's strength? Sorry, besides Russia, there is also China in this world! The bottom line is that conventional war can be fought, but if you cross the line and start a nuclear war, who's afraid of you? I won't reply anymore after this! A waste of time!

 

[BananaRepublic]

The Western world is still living in a dream. If a U.S. nuclear strike on Iran is acceptable, then Russia's nuclear strike on America's vassal states in Europe is equally acceptable! And then what? The U.S. has a problem with that and then launches a nuclear attack on Russia? Does the U.S. have the courage? Does the U.S. have any experience fighting a peer opponent? Bombing weak countries, bombing kindergarten children—does that prove American strength? Sorry, this world has not only Russia but also China! The bottom line is that conventional war can be fought, but if you cross the line and start a nuclear war, who's afraid of you?

Your naivety really is something.

The “world” couldn’t do anything against USA’s nuke use even it wanted to. They would just issue some soothing words and carry on regardless. They would apportion most of the blame on the appeasing idiotic mad mullahs.

Whereas Russia’s use would unite the white world against it. Just like when the whites united against Hitler. That would be the end of Russia as a functioning state.

 

[PakAl]

Regime will only collapse if there’s a colour revolution like the ones we saw recently in South Asia.

But colour revolution is only possible if the military is in the pay of the CIA.

Iran’s military is emphatically anti US.

Well Syria collapsed, when the economy destruction hits the people, they want a change. Its possible Usa Israel and Arabs want the regular Iranian military to do a coup, remove IRGC from power, keep the mullahs in the background or finished off. Iran will become a secular nationalist government pre Islamist revolution, the writing is on the wall, what has 40 years of Islamist revolution achieved. 40 years of preparation and within a few years the war reached iranian land and Iran cannot do much about it, the western led axis is dismantling Iranian military meanwhile Iranian leadership is screaming Nukes are haram. The reformist could become the political leadership meanwhile military leadership by iranian regular army.

 

[Persian Gulf]

a tale of 3 acts

 

[PakAl]

Your naivety really is something.

The “world” couldn’t do anything against USA’s nuke use even it wanted to. They would just issue some soothing words and carry on regardless. They would apportion most of the blame on the appeasing idiotic mad mullahs.

Whereas Russia’s use would unite the white world against it. Just like when the whites united against Hitler. That would be the end of Russia as a functioning state.

They have battlefield tactical nukes, that can destroy cities, so enough to make a nation surrender with all macho collapsing. Usa Israel can easily make up propaganda that they are threatened by nukes and use the excuse to launch nukes but I dont think they are needed. Lastly its highly possible Usa Israel behind the scenes are threatening Iran with nukes if Iran retaliation harms Israel or Usa aircraft carriers or Iran simply doesnt have the capability to greatly harm Usa and Israel.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Pay bit of attention here. Oil flow through Hormuz is coming back to normal, only exception being Iran. Who apparently have control over Hormuz lol

If you was wondering why Trump isn't interested in peace deal anymore.

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It doesn’t really matter what your graphs allegedly shows.

Only thing that matters is the price at the pumps.

People’s savings are being exhausted to pay for fuel and everything linked to it.

Interest rates are going up to make matters worse.

 

[Eşbah]

@Watandar

Why are you not believing Trump when he says he's going to attack Iran again?

When did he not attack after previously announcing his intentions?

 

[BananaRepublic]

They have battlefield tactical nukes, that can destroy cities, so enough to make a nation surrender with all macho collapsing. Usa Israel can easily make up propaganda that they are threatened by nukes and use the excuse to launch nukes but I dont think they are needed. Lastly its highly possible Usa Israel behind the scenes are threatening Iran with nukes if Iran retaliation harms Israel or Usa aircraft carriers or Iran simply doesnt have the capability to greatly harm Usa and Israel.

That’s why all the mullahs should be publicly rounded up and punished for issuing fatwas against nukes.

But only after this war is concluded.

 

[PakAl]

That’s why all the mullahs should be publicly rounded up and punished for issuing fatwas against nukes.

But only after this war is concluded.

What doesnt make sense is if your genuinely not going to build nukes then why insist on nuclear energy for peaceful purposes which led to trillions of economic loss through trade and sanctions, also making threats against the Usa and Israel whilst sitting ducks. I understand islamist type of governments use anti west/imperialism type of propaganda to stay in power but their political and military leadership should have been more careful, even now Iranian military leadership keeps threatening Usa with huge consequences meanwhile getting bombed whenever Usa Israel feel like bombing them. The policy is flawed.

 

[Professor Jiang]

The incompetent and fanatical mullahs are entirely responsible for Iran’s current predicament.

Hundreds of nuclear scientists have been systematically assassinated by the zios! And for what?

If the bomb is haram - why expand those valuable lives.

Mullahs don’t care about their lives or the lives of the brave nuclear scientists.

Their mumbo jumbo interpretation of the Quran cannot be imposed on the state of Iran.

For every cleric that has been incompetent, there are 10 secular incompetents cos-playing as revolutionaries. These guys emulate anything and everything Western, publishing in Foreign Policy and proposing solutions straight from 1990s neo-liberal dogma. Equally, there are many clerics that have supported taking the gloves off entirely and developing everything from nukes to chem-bio.

Incompetence in Iran is, unfortunately, something that runs through multiple areas of society and administration.

 

[BananaRepublic]

What doesnt make sense is if your genuinely not going to build nukes then why insist on nuclear energy for peaceful purposes which led to trillions of economic loss through trade and sanctions, also making threats against the Usa and Israel whilst sitting ducks. I understand islamist type of governments use anti west/imperialism type of propaganda to stay in power but their political and military leadership should have been more careful, even now Iranian military leadership keeps threatening Usa with huge consequences meanwhile getting bombed whenever Usa Israel feel like bombing them. The policy is flawed.

I wouldn’t say trillions. Let’s not be hyperbolic.

Their strategy was pure Mullah 3-D chess you see in the villages of Muslim countries.

In this case, the threat of nuclear bomb was designed to be a bargaining chip.

A bargaining chip to get the west and others to accept mullahcracy.

It nearly worked with Obama’s deal. But the Zionists were never going to permit that.

Iran can only be secure with nukes. Otherwise it will be another chaotic and divided ME country.

 

[BananaRepublic]

For every cleric that has been incompetent, there are 10 secular incompetents cos-playing as revolutionaries. These guys emulate anything and everything Western, publishing in Foreign Policy and proposing solutions straight from 1990s neo-liberal dogma. Equally, there are many clerics that have supported taking the gloves off entirely and developing everything from nukes to chem-bio.

Incompetence in Iran is, unfortunately, something that runs through multiple areas of society and administration.

Secular people can be challenged and removed because they don’t hide behind divinity.

Anyway, in Iran’s case it’s the mullahs who made the fatal decision.

So, let’s not peddle both sides-ism.

 

[PakAl]

I wouldn’t say trillions. Let’s not be hyperbolic.

Their strategy was pure Mullah 3-D chess you see in the villages of Muslim countries.

In this case, the threat of nuclear bomb was designed to be a bargaining chip.

A bargaining chip to get the west and others to accept mullahcracy.

It nearly worked with Obama’s deal. But the Zionists were never going to permit that.

Iran can only be secure with nukes. Otherwise it will be another chaotic and divided ME country.

Its not difficult to reach trillion Usa dollars when you add everything from the Islamist revolution till today, the cost of wars, building militaries, funding proxies, the loss of military equipment, loss through sanctions, loss of investment, economic growth potential, Iran is Turkey level of economy ie current 300b v 1.7T economy potential.