Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Flotilla]

First time after war first phase of war .. Iran is desperate for deal however usa don't want it.

During this time usa wanted deal and Iran was taking hard line... Now usa is preparing for war and this time tactical nuke coming...

USA and Israel are to blame however Iran also didn't wanted peace.

Trump didn't fullfill any of his agreements, including tariffs wars and even international treaties. What makes you think he was going to honor an agreement with Iran?

 

[muhammed45]

Let's be honest. We want Iran to defeat the US, but we don't want to see the proliferation of nuclear weapons, nor are we willing to see the strait charged for passage, and we also don't want to see the dumbest US president in history step down.

Hormuz is Iranian territory honestly. And it will function the way Iran orders. That's my honest response. It will be monetized or not, depends on Iranian decision. Most possibly strait of Hormuz will be monetized. No one asked why Iran's assets were frozen illegally and globally.

We don't need someone else to lecture us on nuclear weapons either. Iran will remain in state of a nuclear threshold state whether you like it or not. Americans and their Zionist dog are the savagest bastards that the history of mankind has ever seen.

We cannot let the nuclear program go or give up on our natural rights or else it can eventually make Iran vulnerable. And we have already announced that we want west Asia to be clean of nuclear weapons. It requires disarmament of the Zionist cancer in the first place and then, on a global scale, return of USA to the old agreement with Russia which was deliberately violated by Americans.

 

[Master Chief]

Hormuz is Iranian territory honestly.

This is correct. SoH is NOT defined as international waters and is rather defined as territorial waters of Iran and Oman.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Why is Iran hitting civilian ships

Hitting oil tanker after oil tanker of other counties...

Iran goal is hitting other countries so they pressurise USA to acknowledge to irans demand.

Even if Iran win or lose. No one will trust Iran but China Russia only

Why is USA hitting civilian ships?

Why did USA deliberately hit schools killing little kids.

Why did USA renege on JCPOA that all neutral plus NATO countries like U.K. and France said was working?

Why are GCC pigs and Arabs allowing their territory to be used to attack Iran?

Iran is enforcing an embargo on GCC and Arabs - anyone who breaches that embargo is violating the law.

USA did the same with Cuba and Venezuela - even though neither country attacked USA.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Trump didn't fullfill any of his agreements, including tariffs wars and even international treaties. What makes you think he was going to honor an agreement with Iran?

This person is either very dishonest or ignorant.

Take your pick!

 

[MH.Yang]

Hormuz is Iranian territory honestly. And it will function the way Iran orders. That's my honest response. It will be monetized or not, depends on Iranian decision. Most possibly strait of Hormuz will be monetized. No one asked why Iran's assets were frozen illegally and globally.

We don't need someone else to lecture us on nuclear weapons either. Iran will remain in state of a nuclear threshold state whether you like it or not. Americans and their Zionist dog are the savagest bastards that the history of mankind has ever seen.

We cannot let the nuclear program go or give up on our natural rights or else it can eventually make Iran vulnerable. And we have already announced that we want west Asia to be clean of nuclear weapons. It requires disarmament of the Zionist cancer in the first place and then, on a global scale, return of USA to the old agreement with Russia which was deliberately violated by Americans.

I am just honestly stating our position.

We also oppose Zionism and hate the genocide that occurred in Palestine. But we hope that Iranians and Arabs can unite to end the crimes committed by Jews and Americans in the Middle East.

We also do not want nuclear weapons to continue to spread, including Israel's nuclear weapons, which should be destroyed. Because it is not conducive to the development and reproduction of human civilization.

We also do not want to see charges across the strait, as China is the largest importer of oil and we do not want to increase our dependence on Russian oil.

We share a common position with Iran, but not all positions are the same.

We have many different positions with the United States, but not all positions are different.

This is the truth.

 

[Zhuge Liang]

We also oppose Zionism and hate the genocide that occurred in Palestine. But we hope that Iranians and Arabs can unite to end the crimes committed by Jews and Americans in the Middle East.

Politics is decided by material interests, not by sentiment. As long as the Arab leaders find being allied to the US more materially atractive for themselves than being allied with each other against the US, the current situation will persist.

 

[UKBengali]

Hormuz is Iranian territory honestly. And it will function the way Iran orders. That's my honest response. It will be monetized or not, depends on Iranian decision. Most possibly strait of Hormuz will be monetized. No one asked why Iran's assets were frozen illegally and globally.

We don't need someone else to lecture us on nuclear weapons either. Iran will remain in state of a nuclear threshold state whether you like it or not. Americans and their Zionist dog are the savagest bastards that the history of mankind has ever seen.

We cannot let the nuclear program go or give up on our natural rights or else it can eventually make Iran vulnerable. And we have already announced that we want west Asia to be clean of nuclear weapons. It requires disarmament of the Zionist cancer in the first place and then, on a global scale, return of USA to the old agreement with Russia which was deliberately violated by Americans.

Why is China acting like a hypocrite when it is a nuclear state itself?

Also, Iran has every right to charge tolls if it can physically control the water way.

 

[UKBengali]

I am just honestly stating our position.

We also oppose Zionism and hate the genocide that occurred in Palestine. But we hope that Iranians and Arabs can unite to end the crimes committed by Jews and Americans in the Middle East.

We also do not want nuclear weapons to continue to spread, including Israel's nuclear weapons, which should be destroyed. Because it is not conducive to the development and reproduction of human civilization.

We also do not want to see charges across the strait, as China is the largest importer of oil and we do not want to increase our dependence on Russian oil.

We share a common position with Iran, but not all positions are the same.

We have many different positions with the United States, but not all positions are different.

This is the truth.

Sometimes you Chinese should actually think about your position for a few seconds because what is the relevance of a 2% toll on an oil tanker?

It makes no difference to China but will help Iran stay strong and united. This is a key Chinese strategic interest and we should stop thinking about everything in terms of a little money here now.

A lot of Chinese just get programmed by the CCP and don’t think by themselves.

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah and what is worse?

Let's analyze it rationally. We have two options:

Option 1: Keep the status quo which means that Iran might get nuked in the future, our currency will depreciate by 60%-70% every year, over half of the population will live in absolute poverty soon, and eventually, Iran will be balkanized and devoured by regional powers in the Middle East. Minimum wage in Iran is $70 per month now. For a country where average family size is close to 4, even if both parents work with minimum wage, income per capita is 1 dollar and 16 cents per day. This is below the UN poverty line, and it is only going to get worse under naval and aerial blockade.

Option 2: Get rid of the current ideology that has disarmed and impoverished our country in support of people who don't even like us (namely, the Palestinians) and take a risk for a better future. Sure, Iran might lose some territories like Kurdistan if we don't unite by then, but that's more than granted if this regime stays in power and this situation continues as is. Do you think this people who couldn't even get close to the area of the pilots during the war can keep our territorial integrity without even the means of transporting our troops to the front line?

So, here is my way of thinking:
Option 1 is balkanization + a Chinese puppet regime + potentially getting nuked + poverty, lack of civilian and military transport and eventual disarmament after defeat.
And option 2 is balkanization + a US puppet regime. Which one do you think is worse?

And what makes you think I want that?

You chose option 1, if I'm not mistaken. You guys just do not want to accept that we have reached a deadend. And there were many people who warned the system of this day for decades, but the system chose to continue this path.

Before Khamenei's death, people blamed it on Khamenei but who is to blame for it now?

 

[BananaRepublic]

Sometimes you Chinese should actually think about your position for a few seconds because what is the relevance of a 2% toll on an oil tanker?

It makes no difference to China but will help Iran stay strong and united. This is a key Chinese strategic interest and we should stop thinking about everything in terms of a little money here now.

A lot of Chinese just get programmed by the CCP and don’t think by themselves.

Maybe our Chinese brothers can suggest how Iran obtains reparations for the destruction US has inflicted on Iran.

And how Iran is supposed to stop future destructions on its soil.

Do they have a better idea than SoH tolls and nuclear bomb?

If so, we are all here listening intently!

 

[Professor Jiang]

Sometimes you Chinese should actually think about your position for a few seconds because what is the relevance of a 2% toll on an oil tanker?

It makes no difference to China but will help Iran stay strong and united. This is a key Chinese strategic interest and we should stop thinking about everything in terms of a little money here now.

A lot of Chinese just get programmed by the CCP and don’t think by themselves.

I think it's more base than that. There is one poster that keeps popping up in this thread defending everything anything that China does - right down to how it uses its veto at the UNSC as if it were made of solid gold - on the basis that it's all some highly complex game of 5D chess that us West Asians are too dumb to understand because we're apparently bogged down by religion and tribal identity.

The sad thing is that a lot of us wish China would be more assertive because we have respect for it as an ancient civilisation, and admiration for it as a modern miracle of a state.

 

[muhammed45]

Why is China acting like a hypocrite when it is a nuclear state itself?

Also, Iran has every right to charge tolls if it can physically control the water way.

Its really hard to smile at USA and Iran at same time

 

[muhammed45]

Let's analyze it rationally. We have two options:

Option 1: Keep the status quo which means that Iran might get nuked in the future, our currency will depreciate by 60%-70% every year, over half of the population will live in absolute poverty soon, and eventually, Iran will be balkanized and devoured by regional powers in the Middle East. Minimum wage in Iran is $70 per month now. For a country where average family size is close to 4, even if both parents work with minimum wage, income per capita is 1 dollar and 16 cents per day. This is below the UN poverty line, and it is only going to get worse under naval and aerial blockade.

Option 2: Get rid of the current ideology that has disarmed and impoverished our country in support of people who don't even like us (namely, the Palestinians) and take a risk for a better future. Sure, Iran might lose some territories like Kurdistan if we don't unite by then, but that's more than granted if this regime stays in power and this situation continues as is. Do you think this people who couldn't even get close to the area of the pilots during the war can keep our territorial integrity without even the means of transporting our troops to the front line?

So, here is my way of thinking:
Option 1 is balkanization + a Chinese puppet regime + potentially getting nuked + poverty, lack of civilian and military transport and eventual disarmament after defeat.
And option 2 is balkanization + a US puppet regime. Which one do you think is worse?


You chose option 1, if I'm not mistaken. You guys just do not want to accept that we have reached a deadend. And there were many people who warned the system of this day for decades, but the system chose to continue this path.

Before Khamenei's death, people blamed it on Khamenei but who is to blame for it now?

You need to have some rest dude. Or else you are going to have mental disease with these option x,y,z...

 

[UKBengali]

I think it's more base than that. There is one poster that keeps popping up in this thread defending everything anything that China does - right down to how it uses its veto at the UNSC as if it were made of solid gold - on the basis that it's all some highly complex game of 5D chess that us West Asians are too dumb to understand because we're apparently bogged down by religion and tribal identity.

The sad thing is that a lot of us wish China would be more assertive because we have respect for it as an ancient civilisation, and admiration for it as a modern miracle of a state.

China should simply pay “lip service” to non-proliferation treaty and western idea of “freedom of navigation”.


West makes it up as they go along and so why is China playing the white man’s game anymore?

Iran is fighting to preserve its sovereignty and the least China can do is not take the US side when it comes to Iranian nuclear programme or SoH toll.


This war is more about containing China than Iran anyway.