Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[IceCold]

It was Americans that initially begged Pakistan to be mediator and help ease tensions. Pakistan also used this opportunity in its own favor. This mediation also gave a chance to Iran to regroup its air defense forces.

Lets not go there, who is begging whom here- while your leaders did not even skip the UN session held in the US, and some of the lot were kicked out because they happened to overstay.
The only opportunity that was used was by the Asim-led military regime to remain the favorite FM for Trump. Pakistan or its people were not part of any favors.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Pakistan itself suffers from Baluch problem within its own territory. It is a common ground for security cooperation not a cause of conflict.

Neither Beluch nor Kurds are going to get independent states.

It’s too late! Their ancestors had a millennia to forge independent nations.

They aren’t going to get it gifted to them by the US.

No amount of sellout to USA is going to make that happen.

Not all races are worthy of independent states.

Just a fact of life.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan’s mediation was a useful distraction - if you believe in the strategy of timing Trump out.

Asim Munir was a useful tool for both sides.

USA made Asim Munir dictator and he’ll serve until he is useful. E.g. Zia-ul Haq, Musharaff etc etc

Pakistan helped achieved the Islamabad Agreement between both parties, which was very favourable to Iran. For various reasons, it did not hold. Now, given what passes for Iranian "strategy", is it time time for Pakistan to leave Iran "to it".

Pakistan was an intermediary when neither side chose to speak with each other. Right now, neither party is prepared to make peace, and when you have that, it is sometimes best to leave them to fight it out. Maybe the exhaustion of war itself by both parties will force a return to talks and an agreement that both sides will honour ?

Yes, Munir is liked by Trump and that same relationship it seemed to allow Munir to get more favourable terms to Iran than any other negotiator could have gotten at that stage. Those terms may have been one of the reasons why it fell apart, because it may have been too favourable for Iran ?

It is due time that Iran starts to talk to USA directly now, and stop blaming intermediaries for its issues and failings.

( And for the record - I am NO fan of Munir, at all ).

 

[Homajon]

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More than meets the smile: Iran–Pakistan’s strategic chessboard

If you ever want to know what two countries really care about, don’t listen to the speeches. Watch what words they never quite say alone. In the case of Iran and Pakistan, one word keeps showing up…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

And here:

Why Are Pakistani Leaders Revealing Their Secret Visits to Israel Now?

Pakistanis love to hate Israel, but their state has had relations with the country for decades.

thediplomat.com

The Zionism of the brass: Why Pakistan’s army won’t defend Gaza

They strut about with medals on their chests and missiles in the background, claiming to be defenders of the Muslim world, protectors of the faith, and guardians of the nation. They command one of …

www.middleeastmonitor.com

And that is the problem....

Pakistans relations with China is solely directed against India, but apart from that, Pakistan is a full-fledged, integral part of the US-Israeli empire.

So while ordinary Pakistanis always love to put the blame on Iran, deep inside they know the truth, and that is a very painfull truth...

 

[Defender]

Is this some type of emotional child group for fuk sake even Iraq has sealed and closed borders with Iran only one at this point is Pakistan who has keep open his boader and 6 transit of goods if Pakistan sealed his border with Iran he will collapse in few weeks since Pakistan military don’t want to Iran collapse they keep it open so Iran can trade and keep goods flowing labeling Pakistan as puppet of USA is some emo thing I have herd .Pakistan is the only one doing the opposite and only lung of Iran to breath. if butter because expensive then bullet then you will see how strong Iran .is just recently Pakistan clalver company was section because it was supplying the drones part to Iran. so Iran can’t even make drones with out Pakistan help and you are mixing two things what Iran politician said has no meaning as irgc control Iran and they have not said a single word against Pakistan and actually take dictation from Pakistan military what to do .Iran politician has no authority and they can run their mouth all they want

 

[Ali_Baba]

And here:

Why Are Pakistani Leaders Revealing Their Secret Visits to Israel Now?

Pakistanis love to hate Israel, but their state has had relations with the country for decades.

thediplomat.com

The Zionism of the brass: Why Pakistan’s army won’t defend Gaza

They strut about with medals on their chests and missiles in the background, claiming to be defenders of the Muslim world, protectors of the faith, and guardians of the nation. They command one of …

www.middleeastmonitor.com

And that is the problem....

Pakistans relations with China is solely directed against India, but apart from that, Pakistan is a full-fledged, integral part of the US-Israeli empire.

So while ordinary Pakistanis always love to put the blame on Iran, deep inside they know the truth, and that is a very painfull truth...

What blame do Pakistani's put on Iran ????

 

[Homajon]

What blame do Pakistani's put on Iran ????

For example that Iranian intelligence works with India against Pakistan. But IF that's really true, than that's only a reaction to Pakistans (direct or indirect) sponsorship of terrorism inside Irans south-east since the early 2000's.

Or right now with the Yemen case, blaming Iran and AnsarAllah for attacks on Saudi, while these attacks are also a reaction to Saudis war and blockade against Yemen. If Saudis would stop, AnsarAllah would also stop.

But as I said, Pakistan (leadership) is part of the US-Israeli empire, and that defines their policy....