Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[IceCold]

It was Americans that initially begged Pakistan to be mediator and help ease tensions. Pakistan also used this opportunity in its own favor. This mediation also gave a chance to Iran to regroup its air defense forces.

Lets not go there, who is begging whom here- while your leaders did not even skip the UN session held in the US, and some of the lot were kicked out because they happened to overstay.
The only opportunity that was used was by the Asim-led military regime to remain the favorite FM for Trump. Pakistan or its people were not part of any favors.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Pakistan itself suffers from Baluch problem within its own territory. It is a common ground for security cooperation not a cause of conflict.

Neither Beluch nor Kurds are going to get independent states.

It’s too late! Their ancestors had a millennia to forge independent nations.

They aren’t going to get it gifted to them by the US.

No amount of sellout to USA is going to make that happen.

Not all races are worthy of independent states.

Just a fact of life.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan’s mediation was a useful distraction - if you believe in the strategy of timing Trump out.

Asim Munir was a useful tool for both sides.

USA made Asim Munir dictator and he’ll serve until he is useful. E.g. Zia-ul Haq, Musharaff etc etc

Pakistan helped achieved the Islamabad Agreement between both parties, which was very favourable to Iran. For various reasons, it did not hold. Now, given what passes for Iranian "strategy", is it time time for Pakistan to leave Iran "to it".

Pakistan was an intermediary when neither side chose to speak with each other. Right now, neither party is prepared to make peace, and when you have that, it is sometimes best to leave them to fight it out. Maybe the exhaustion of war itself by both parties will force a return to talks and an agreement that both sides will honour ?

Yes, Munir is liked by Trump and that same relationship it seemed to allow Munir to get more favourable terms for Iran than any other negotiator could have gotten at that stage. Those terms may have been one of the reasons why it fell apart, because it may have been too favourable for Iran ?

It is due time that Iran starts to talk to USA directly now, and stop blaming intermediaries for its issues and failings.

( And for the record - I am NO fan of Munir, at all ).

 

[Defender]

Is this some type of emotional child group for fuk sake even Iraq has sealed and closed borders with Iran only one at this point is Pakistan who has keep open his boader and 6 transit of goods if Pakistan sealed his border with Iran he will collapse in few weeks since Pakistan military don’t want to Iran collapse they keep it open so Iran can trade and keep goods flowing labeling Pakistan as puppet of USA is some emo thing I have herd .Pakistan is the only one doing the opposite and only lung of Iran to breath. if butter because expensive then bullet then you will see how strong Iran .is just recently Pakistan clalver company was section because it was supplying the drones part to Iran. so Iran can’t even make drones with out Pakistan help and you are mixing two things what Iran politician said has no meaning as irgc control Iran and they have not said a single word against Pakistan and actually take dictation from Pakistan military what to do .Iran politician has no authority and they can run their mouth all they want

 

[Ali_Baba]

And here:

Why Are Pakistani Leaders Revealing Their Secret Visits to Israel Now?

Pakistanis love to hate Israel, but their state has had relations with the country for decades.

thediplomat.com

The Zionism of the brass: Why Pakistan’s army won’t defend Gaza

They strut about with medals on their chests and missiles in the background, claiming to be defenders of the Muslim world, protectors of the faith, and guardians of the nation. They command one of …

www.middleeastmonitor.com

And that is the problem....

Pakistans relations with China is solely directed against India, but apart from that, Pakistan is a full-fledged, integral part of the US-Israeli empire.

So while ordinary Pakistanis always love to put the blame on Iran, deep inside they know the truth, and that is a very painfull truth...

What blame do Pakistani's put on Iran ????

 

[Homajon]

What blame do Pakistani's put on Iran ????

For example that Iranian intelligence works with India against Pakistan. But IF that's really true, than that's only a reaction to Pakistans (direct or indirect) sponsorship of terrorism inside Irans south-east since the early 2000's.

Or right now with the Yemen case, blaming Iran and AnsarAllah for attacks on Saudi, while these attacks are also a reaction to Saudis war and blockade against Yemen. If Saudis would stop, AnsarAllah would also stop.

But as I said, Pakistan (leadership) is part of the US-Israeli empire, and that defines their policy....

 

[Flotilla]

Pakistan’s mediation was a useful distraction - if you believe in the strategy of timing Trump out.

Asim Munir was a useful tool for both sides.

USA made Asim Munir dictator and he’ll serve until he is useful. E.g. Zia-ul Haq, Musharaff etc etc

Probably It was. But Irán got probably more benefit than US.

All missile bases have been repaired and everybody recognized that Irán is assembling new missiles.

So even if It was a deceiving maneouver it has been good for Irán.

 

[Bratva]

For example that Iranian intelligence works with India against Pakistan. But IF that's really true, than that's only a reaction to Pakistans (direct or indirect) sponsorship of terrorism inside Irans south-east since the early 2000's.

Or right now with the Yemen case, blaming Iran and AnsarAllah for attacks on Saudi, while these attacks are also a reaction to Saudis war and blockade against Yemen. If Saudis would stop, AnsarAllah would also stop.

But as I said, Pakistan (leadership) is part of the US-Israeli empire, and that defines their policy....

this is the kind of cognitive dissonance bubble Iranians lives in when it come to Pakistan. You are making lot of claims without backing them up. Let's deconstruct your arguments

1. There is no IF and buts, The indian intelligence operative was based in Iran and caught in Pakistan while crossing iranian side. Iranian government never deny the claim that Indian operative was living in Iran. So where is that IF coming from?

1.5. Where are the proofs or reports that say Pakistan is sponsoring terrorism inside Iran since early 2000's?

2. Pakistan is not blaming Iran. Houthis themselves have claimed live on TV that they are running joint military operation room with Iranians. How can someone be so deft and deny what Houthis are saying?

2.5 Once again the cognitive dissonance is displayed so blatantly that Saudis are blockading Houthis. There was no blockade until July. Then Iranians tried to land the plan in Houthi controlled area to supply them with military advisors and shipments. Saudis has repeteadly told Houthis and Iranians that it is a redline for them, don't do that. But Houthi's violated the ceasefire terms and this round of hostilities started

2.75. Why Iranians always try to blame ssaudis and never take ownership of their actions which instigates the conflicts ?

3. The most ignorant part of your post is Pakistan is part of Israel nexus? WTH. How many Israeli agents are in Iran who assisante Iranian leadership at will vs How many are there in Pakistan? That would tell you who are more Pro-Israeli and is part of ISraeli axis.

 

[Flotilla]

Probably, but how successful will it be? I still don't think the strikes on Fordow were effective, it seems Iran just ignored fixing that site up after strikes on it?

I agree. Even if that attack were successful (something I don't believe) when you destroy a ant's entrance they just build another in another place.

And this is the same.
Destroying just two o three sites doesn't change that much because where you had 3 known sites you will have same or more in unknown places.

It was a stupid mistake starting this war and they just revamped nuclear weapons program.

 

[Master Chief]

Pakistans (direct or indirect) sponsorship of terrorism inside Irans south-east since the early 2000's.

Lol. This made me chuckle.

Actually, we pick up Indian terrorists who enter Pakistan from this region.

 

[Bratva]

Qatar replaces Pakistan as main mediator between U.S. and Iran after Pakistani military leadership moves closer towards Trump

Is it the same Qatar who hosted trump and gave him expensive gifts in recent past? The level of cognitive dissonance in your opinion is off the charts. Iran is not agreeing to USA terms and blames Pakistan for being dishonest mediator? Who broke the agreement in first of July and started firing at ships? Was it USA? Who violated Oman Territorial waters? Was it USA or IRan?

Iran has violated the ceasefire, failed to protect redlines in Lebanon, has stopped attacking Israel completly and Iranian egoistic and opportunist hardliners are blaming mediators? What Qatar gonna do that Pakistan couldn't when the deft Hardliners within this regime are not budging from their demands? Iran is just trying to find a scapegoat to tell their people why the war started again so People don't question IRGC.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Lol. This made me chuckle.

Actually, we pick up Indian terrorists who enter Pakistan from this region.

Both sides are in a bind and accommodating vile entities out of necessity.

I wish Pakistan would recognise why Iran does it (economic embargo) for India. And why Pakistan does it (basket case economy) for Zio-US.

Neither countries are pure ethno states hence have large numbers of people who aren’t willing participants.

This makes them internally weak and externally vulnerable.

Both sides need to recognise each other’s weaknesses and overlook each other’s foibles.

Otherwise Zio-US will have both for breakfast!!!

 

[r3alist]

Iran never had a problem with Iraqis. Iran was fighting Saddam. Saddam was a US tool.

Here, Iran is again hurting USA by destroying US’ tools in the region. Surgically taking out US bases.

Without its tools US would be impotent in the region.

And Iran has been on a long war for independence and survival.

Defeating Saddam was the first step. Which Iran most emphatically did.

Now it’s the Zio-Wahabis who have been terrorising the Muslim world for 50 years.

All Muslims should want to see the US leave.

.
You not thinking this through, you just not.

When Muslims are fighting each other, Muslims lose. How many millions died during Iran Iraq.

Saudi defence capitulation is a burden to the region, accepted. an immediate withdrawal leaves a nation exposed, vulnerable and prone to act irrationally, this is intentional just like Afghanistan withdrawal.

They left seeding a future conflict.

Iran is exploiting this, it's NOT hurting the USA interests but softening the region up to give Israel more security.

And Iran seeking it's own regional control


Finally Iran made blatant reach out to Taliban so that's a middle finger to Pakistan so explain that one, we can't be selective here, you are converting their geopolitical calculations into principled positions and that's bs.

 

[r3alist]

Yes, Munir is liked by Trump

Munir is needed by trump, hence liked until not needed

Pakistan needs to be tempted away from further collaboration with china

And then embroiled in the regional mess, as well as being useful with Iran

My point here is it's never to do with the personalities it's the changing situation, sometimes it helps sometimes it doesn't

Behind trump and munir are professional institutions

 

[Persian Gulf]

Is it the same Qatar who hosted trump and gave him expensive gifts in recent past? The level of cognitive dissonance in your opinion is off the charts. Iran is not agreeing to USA terms and blames Pakistan for being dishonest mediator? Who broke the agreement in first of July and started firing at ships? Was it USA? Who violated Oman Territorial waters? Was it USA or IRan?

Iran has violated the ceasefire, failed to protect redlines in Lebanon, has stopped attacking Israel completly and Iranian egoistic and opportunist hardliners are blaming mediators? What Qatar gonna do that Pakistan couldn't when the deft Hardliners within this regime are not budging from their demands? Iran is just trying to find a scapegoat to tell their people why the war started again so People don't question IRGC.

Qatar is not much better, both are overtly subservient to the USA and Trump. Did Qatar profusely nominate Trump for the peace prize repeatedly?