Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags202]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/rubio-accuses-iran-of-using-nazi-tactics-in-strait-of-hormuz-by-targeting-commercial-shipping/

It’s weird how he conveniently leaves out American forces attacking commercial ships themselves and have killed Indian sailors themselves funny no one has questioned him about that

 

[kobra]

Last ditch efforts, likely of no use.. war about to resume.

 

[Falcon29]

My prediction is that Iran will ratchet up attacks in the SoH and maybe ZioKudush areas of Iraq few days before the elections.

Trump will have to decide whether to accept it like a cuck or strike back. Iran will be ready to escalate.

It would make more sense to ratchet up attacks now continuing the pattern we have seen

Trump is not as tough as he makes himself out to be. He's not ready to escalate at this point in his term but due to his narcassistic personality he would be more eager to do so at the end of his term near 2028/2029 as a final middle finger to the American people and potentially to clutch onto power like Bibi is doing

 

[Watandar]

More proof it was a money plane.

Reports of a deal to restart negotiations were that Iran could allow an IAEA visit to a nuke facility, maybe even a secret visit, and in return, Iran will get the interest earned on some $6 billion sitting in deposits at Qatari banks. Maybe Iran said yes on the Munir visit and hence, a Qatari plane flew with the money to Tehran.

 

[Immortals]

No, if US leaves ME alone, and I mean completely alone, I can guarantee you that Arabs will start killing each other like there's no tomorrow.

No they won’t, they will just outsource their security to the Turks or Israelis or maybe even Chinese. You forget Arab leaders will just find another bodyguard. They got money to buy protection. Turks desperately need money and Israelis would love nothing more for these tribal Arabs to rely on Israel. They will even “sell” Israel land for such security.

The question is how long until Israel turns on this alliance. If Iran is out of picture, who is going to be their next enemy?

It’s clear the UAE and Israel have designs on the Middle East. You could also get a Saudi-Turkey-Pakistan alliance and Israel-Morocco-UAE-Jordan alliance competing alliance as Israel/UAE fight for control of the Middle East against a Saudi backed version.

Sooner or later these two sides will get into altercation.

Currently, it's the free oil money keeping some of the countries' citizens in check - if or when it dries up,

Oil ain’t “drying” up in your lifetime. So keep waiting for such an event.

 

[Falcon29]

 

[Shags202]

No they won’t, they will just outsource their security to the Turks or Israelis or maybe even Chinese. You forget Arab leaders will just find another bodyguard. They got money to buy protection. Turks desperately need money and Israelis would love nothing more for these tribal Arabs to rely on Israel. They will even “sell” Israel land for such security.

The question is how long until Israel turns on this alliance. If Iran is out of picture, who is going to be their next enemy?

It’s clear the UAE and Israel have designs on the Middle East. You could also get a Saudi-Turkey-Pakistan alliance and Israel-Morocco-UAE-Jordan alliance competing alliance as Israel/UAE fight for control of the Middle East against a Saudi backed version.

Sooner or later these two sides will get into altercation.



Oil ain’t “drying” up in your lifetime. So keep waiting for such an event.

Not drying up but 30 years from now a lot less is going to be out there there’s a reason a country like Saudi Arabia is now at mad dash to reshape it’s economy after years of just focusing on oil they’re behind a country like uae when they should have been ahead of it

 

[Immortals]

Reports of a deal to restart negotiations were that Iran could allow an IAEA visit to a nuke facility, maybe even a secret visit, and in return, Iran will get the interest earned on some $6 billion sitting in deposits at Qatari banks. Maybe Iran said yes on the Munir visit and hence, a Qatari plane flew with the money to Tehran.

Makes no sense. All the nuclear facilities that IAEA would want to see (Isfahan, Fordow, Pickaxe) are buried either by airstrikes or voluntarily by Iran. They wouldn’t be ready for visitors for weeks or maybe months if there is structural integrity damage.

Also what is interest on some cash gonna do? Iran would blow thru it in a days.

 

[Shags202]

I see Irans allies opening that up with a massive march very soon

 

[Watandar]

Makes no sense. All the nuclear facilities that IAEA would want to see (Isfahan, Fordow, Pickaxe) are buried either by airstrikes or voluntarily by Iran. They wouldn’t be ready for visitors for weeks or maybe months if there is structural integrity damage.

Also what is interest on some cash gonna do? Iran would blow thru it in a days.

It would be a small step that could be followed by more small steps to build some trust, and eventually a deal. Both countries are too far apart right now and we have Netanyahu/Hegseth pushing for a return to war.

Here is the text I was referring to. It's all speculation at the moment.

 

[Hazard]

No they won’t, they will just outsource their security to the Turks or Israelis or maybe even Chinese. You forget Arab leaders will just find another bodyguard. They got money to buy protection. Turks desperately need money and Israelis would love nothing more for these tribal Arabs to rely on Israel. They will even “sell” Israel land for such security.

The question is how long until Israel turns on this alliance. If Iran is out of picture, who is going to be their next enemy?

It’s clear the UAE and Israel have designs on the Middle East. You could also get a Saudi-Turkey-Pakistan alliance and Israel-Morocco-UAE-Jordan alliance competing alliance as Israel/UAE fight for control of the Middle East against a Saudi backed version.

You just confirmed what I said.

 

[Falcon29]

 

[Shags202]

Beat you too it I thought it was funny how he’s complaining about Iran hitting commercial ships but he conveniently leaves out American forces are doing the same thing and have killed Indian sailors themselves and just shrugged their shoulders over the death of those Indians

 

[BananaRepublic]

No - once the USA leaves, the Mecca pact will take over with collective security for all ... The old master will not be replaced by new masters but a more collaborative construct will be created.

Problem with Mecca pact is that it contains two countries with history of selling themselves to USA.

And two countries without an intellectual core.

Two countries who will always be weak because they cannot get their women into work.

Two countries who are feudalistic to the core.

Two countries who do not have plurality in their governance.

Hence both countries will always be weak at the core.

Anything they are part of will always be weak.

 

[BananaRepublic]

It would make more sense to ratchet up attacks now continuing the pattern we have seen

Trump is not as tough as he makes himself out to be. He's not ready to escalate at this point in his term but due to his narcassistic personality he would be more eager to do so at the end of his term near 2028/2029 as a final middle finger to the American people and potentially to clutch onto power like Bibi is doing

Generals hate him.

Likely they won’t follow his orders after mid term.

Without congress he cannot manipulate military appointments.