Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Yommie]

 

[Kermit]

How do we prevent Israel to carry out future operations like this and cause damage within Iran in the future?

E.g for Israel, they are investing more in AD to counter the Iranian Missile threat.

 

[UKBengali]

How do we prevent Israel to carry out future operations like this and cause damage within Iran in the future?

E.g for Israel, they are investing more in AD to counter the Iranian Missile threat.

The damage in Iran was minor and that was only because the US opened up Jordanian and Iraqi airspace.

Iran is currently working on an ABM system of their own but it seems like the weak link was Russian S-300PMU-2 and old systems like Hawk. Iran is replacing all these with better domestic systems but it would still take some more years to complete the task.

Entity and US can invest as much as they want in ABM as nothing can intercept latest Iranían missiles.

 

[PakAl]

So instead of being a free and proud nation, was it better for Iran to be a slave puppet dog of US/Israel like KSA/UAE/Jordan are with no respect?

Pakistanis have been under British rule for 250 years, then the new nation Pakistan was created but unfortunately again we are under heavy western influence so we're used to the slave mentality, the mentality of being bullied, used and abused by Master west. Iran is no threat to the Usa or EU, the only reason they hate Iran is because they do not accept any independent nation, they want everyone to shine their boots, accept their cultural revolution, get rid of religion and follow the modern 21st century religion called money, power, lgbtq and the rest. For the west this is the new religion, where a man will worship himself, his desires, it's a perfect weapon against Islam and other religions such as orthodox Christianity which Russia is trying to promote.

 

[Nuffle]

Why doesn't Iran develop SLBM and a submarine fleet that can be positioned in the Red Sea or the Mediterranean?

SLBMs and a fleet of submarines that can launch them, even if they are conventional, are still the most expensive and difficult part of a nuclear triad. For Iran, which has its biggest enemies close by, the use of BMs - MRBM/IRBM/ICBM - is the most practical and easy way to implement. In addition, Iran's geography also becomes an ally factor in creating a nuclear system based on road vehicles for BM launches.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Interesting they do not claim hits on Bavar-373 which are probably more numerous now 5 years after the system came into service.

Does this means that they only had reach of S-300 or maybe the Bavar-373 is a much better system and managed to shoot down all incoming projectiles?

The fact that the damage is minor and Iran is able to repair already suggests that no critical systems like radars were hit.

Bavar-373 is not fully deployed yet, maybe one battery in Tehran at most

 

[tsunset]

People should notice how Israel frame its propaganda

They claim that "all S-300 batteries were destroyed in the country"

Why only S-300? Why not 3rd Khordad, 15th? All of them systems are dangerous and have better radars than S-300, and also mass produced (only 3rd is confirmed to be deployed on multiple sites including south Iran)

Simply because it is easier to do international propaganda using S-300, it is a big name and known by everyone compared to the others especially with the war in Ukraine, easy propaganda value with S-300 compared to others

This is the same type of propaganda that comes from Ukraine and Baku ("we destroyed all their S-400 and S-300")

Interesting they do not claim hits on Bavar-373 which are probably more numerous now 5 years after the system came into service.

Does this means that they only had reach of S-300 or maybe the Bavar-373 is a much better system and managed to shoot down all incoming projectiles?

The fact that the damage is minor and Iran is able to repair already suggests that no critical systems like radars were hit.

As i said above, S-300, S-400 is a big name when it comes to propaganda

They destroyed all S-300 but somehow not the others? For which reason?

 

[tsunset]

I think we can wait 1-3 months before an answer, also i expect this will be lighter than TP2 and specifically made with the goal to kill a limited number of personnel

 

[Corax]

So what's the summary of the BDM from the Israeli strike? Did Iranian air defences shoot down anything from the Israeli side?

I'm seeing reports of some Israeli drones being shot down, and some of the long range stand off weapons being intercepted by Iranian IADS, any pics to confirm this?

If the Israelis stayed around 100km away from Iranian air space, did they have the weapons to reach their targets deep inside Iran from that range?

What's quite important is that it seems Israel can violate the air spaces of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq at will, without any consequences. It's also being reported that the Israelis destroyed air defence systems in Syria and Iraq? If anything, both those countries have a legitimate reason to attack Israel.

 

[PakAl]

How do we prevent Israel to carry out future operations like this and cause damage within Iran in the future?

E.g for Israel, they are investing more in AD to counter the Iranian Missile threat.

Israel has the most advanced weaponary in the world so it's very difficult for Iran to stop any attack. Israel can attack via ballistic missiles, airforce, frigates, submarines. Iran on the other hand relies mostly on proxies and ballistic missiles to target Israel. Iran must invest in UCAVs similar to Kilzemia, Anka 3, GJ11, Boeing Phantom Ray, Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B, they must be able to use airspace to attack enemies, advance submarine is another place where Iran attack via SLBM. AI technology is very important aswell, soon the west will use AI stealth drones to attack enemies but the Muslim world will fall behind, only Turkey is working hard on this.

 

[Nuffle]

Iran does need to rethink its precision attack capabilities for sure. Look how Israel hit specific buildings, whereas Iran struggled to target specific targets, but "areas" where targets are located, in the 'hope' that they hit it. I do think that they have that realisation now though. Lessons learnt, and improvement plans will be put in place for sure.

Israel also made an effort to hit specific targets, despite its precision, it is impossible not to say that Israel did not make an effort to carry out the attack. The tyranny of distance is the basis for such reasoning.

Even if Israel uses aerial refueling, the war load carried by the fighters would be limited to no more than about 2 tons of bombs. It is not much, but it is already the load of about 2 or 3 MRBM missiles. With the advantage that a fighter can be used about 1,000 times while the missile is discarded with each use, despite weighing as much as a loaded fighter.

I believe that the Iranians can refine their BM precision, but to try to emulate an air attack capacity equal to Israel, Iran will have to build another Air Force. Iran should think more about how to increase its country's air defenses, at the same time that it tries to build an air force for air defense, with great interception and DCA capabilities.

 

[Flotilla]

China is not really a good ally interms of coming to your aid when you need it, as does Russia so far. Look how quickly Russia delivered new systems to Iran in this recent flairup. China will never do that. China only wants money from you - and that in dollars!!

China serves who pays them more. Israel bought their Silk Road initiative and because of that China would only give moral support to Iran or Palestine in TV and shows.

 

[Tamerlane]

Pakistanis have been under British rule for 250 years, then the new nation Pakistan was created but unfortunately again we are under heavy western influence so we're used to the slave mentality, the mentality of being bullied, used and abused by Master west. Iran is no threat to the Usa or EU, the only reason they hate Iran is because they do not accept any independent nation, they want everyone to shine their boots, accept their cultural revolution, get rid of religion and follow the modern 21st century religion called money, power, lgbtq and the rest. For the west this is the new religion, where a man will worship himself, his desires, it's a perfect weapon against Islam and other religions such as orthodox Christianity which Russia is trying to promote.

Yes, Islam is the only philosophy that is standing up to the total triumph of disbelief and debauchery among humans. It is the last remaining religion that is preventing all of humanity from descending into total savagery.

This war has shown that that the Judeo-Christian West is the most barbaric and degenerate of all human civilizations and belongs in the dustbin of history.

 

[Nuffle]

Israel use ROCKS and LORA air launched Ballistic Missiles to attack on Iran from Iraqi airspace



with terminal trajectory shaping and a 90° attack angle
it is very difficult to intercept.
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I so like advanced military technologies from Israel , Turkiye and Iran in the region

Arab Countries produce almost nothing to fight against hostile intentions

Yes. One way for Israel to get around the distance problem is to launch long-range missiles from the air. In this case, it appears that Israel is using Kinzhal-style ballistic missiles, which have the advantage of range over bombs, but are lacking in their payload. While an F-15E fighter can easily attack with 6 tons of bombs that can be distributed among a dozen targets, if it takes one or two Rocks, the volume of fire and damage caused is very limited. But it is what can be done. The only Israeli fighter that can reach Tehran and return without needing to refuel is the F-15C. All others would need to refuel at some point, either on the way there or on the way back.

Furthermore, the videos that have emerged of the F-15C demonstrate an unusual sight: an F-15C with conformal fuel tanks. Israel is one of the only single-seat F-15 operators that use CFT.

There is talk of around 100 aircraft. And of these “one hundred” many may not be weapon carriers (fighters). If they were long-range missiles, there would be a maximum of around 200 missiles launched.

It is worth noting that Israel can perfectly justify the use of long-range missiles due to the distance of 1,500 km between the two countries and the fact that there are countries between them.

In my opinion, one of Israel’s objectives in this attack was to show that it can reach Tehran and that the closure of Jordanian and Iraqi airspace does not prevent it from doing so, one way or another. If the Iranians thought they were safe due to the distance, this makes it clear that they are not.

The attack was not larger due to several factors, but it makes it clear that Israel can reach any point in Iran with impunity by combining SEAD/DEAD activity with stealth fighters and long-range air-to-surface missiles.

It is very likely that the missiles were launched from Iraqi Kurdistan. Tehran was hit and it is about 600 km from the Iraqi border in a straight line with Israel.

The long-range air-launched missiles that Israel has are:
1. Delilah: 250 km range. Subsonic cruise missile. Did not happen.

2. Rampage: 250 km range. Supersonic ballistic missile. Did not happen.

3. Ice Breaker: cruise, subsonic, 300 km. Did not happen.

4. Rocks: unknown range but likely to be over 1,000 km. Little is known about it but it would be a hypersonic ballistic missile similar to the Kinzhal. Likely.

5. Air LORA: ballistic, supersonic, 1000 km +-. Likely. –
In other words, if Israeli planes hit Tehran and did not enter Iranian airspace, it could only have been with missiles such as the Rocks and Air LORA. Both are not recognized by Israel as being operational.

 

[jauk]

Yes. One way for Israel to get around the distance problem is to launch long-range missiles from the air. In this case, it appears that Israel is using Kinzhal-style ballistic missiles, which have the advantage of range over bombs, but are lacking in their payload. While an F-15E fighter can easily attack with 6 tons of bombs that can be distributed among a dozen targets, if it takes one or two Rocks, the volume of fire and damage caused is very limited. But it is what can be done. The only Israeli fighter that can reach Tehran and return without needing to refuel is the F-15C. All others would need to refuel at some point, either on the way there or on the way back.

Furthermore, the videos that have emerged of the F-15C demonstrate an unusual sight: an F-15C with conformal fuel tanks. Israel is one of the only single-seat F-15 operators that use CFT.

There is talk of around 100 aircraft. And of these “one hundred” many may not be weapon carriers (fighters). If they were long-range missiles, there would be a maximum of around 200 missiles launched.

It is worth noting that Israel can perfectly justify the use of long-range missiles due to the distance of 1,500 km between the two countries and the fact that there are countries between them.

In my opinion, one of Israel’s objectives in this attack was to show that it can reach Tehran and that the closure of Jordanian and Iraqi airspace does not prevent it from doing so, one way or another. If the Iranians thought they were safe due to the distance, this makes it clear that they are not.

The attack was not larger due to several factors, but it makes it clear that Israel can reach any point in Iran with impunity by combining SEAD/DEAD activity with stealth fighters and long-range air-to-surface missiles.

It is very likely that the missiles were launched from Iraqi Kurdistan. Tehran was hit and it is about 600 km from the Iraqi border in a straight line with Israel.

The long-range air-launched missiles that Israel has are:
1. Delilah: 250 km range. Subsonic cruise missile. Did not happen.

2. Rampage: 250 km range. Supersonic ballistic missile. Did not happen.

3. Ice Breaker: cruise, subsonic, 300 km. Did not happen.

4. Rocks: unknown range but likely to be over 1,000 km. Little is known about it but it would be a hypersonic ballistic missile similar to the Kinzhal. Likely.

5. Air LORA: ballistic, supersonic, 1000 km +-. Likely. –
In other words, if Israeli planes hit Tehran and did not enter Iranian airspace, it could only have been with missiles such as the Rocks and Air LORA. Both are not recognized by Israel as being operational.

Any ALBMs, by definition, will have very small warheads. ALBMs, as a threat, is a red herring and focusing in them is misguided.