Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Mehdipersian
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It is probably the same clip of Tehran's Taksaz company that you posted earlier.
A civilian was martyred in this attack.
This is a civilian factory related to the oil industry
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tsunset
The Legend
What is the law that prohibits people from recording?
SaadH
Elite Member
It's in Chinese psyche to be insular. It won't project its power beyond its sphere of influence in east Asia.
That_Guy
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
They seemed to have breached Iranian skies, according to the latest reports.
True or not, air defenses don't just cover sovereign land, they usually expand to neighboring territory, as to intercept in coming attacks.
SaadH
Elite Member
You missed your previous masters the angrez, who just between 1880 and 1920 killed 140 million Indians alone.
Oscar
Moderator
They definitely breached it and this is coming from multiple non-Iranian sources but it was through F-35s and following a very narrow window much like the first wave of GW1.
However, while damage is reported to have been sustained at BM and AD facilities it’s not enough to consider them destroyed - rather puts a pause on them for a few weeks/months.
Unfortunately - because of this emotionally charged atmosphere it is not really clear. After all, take 27th February 2019 when everything from 200 seminary students dead to 10 IAF aircraft shot down and hundreds of troops killed was being thrown around and it took months to really get the true picture.
You will find dismissive Iranians while certain members will exaggerate the effects of the IDf strike - the truth is always in the grey
last-soul
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AND this is precisely why China will NOT replace USA as a superpower, not today, not in 20 yrs time. To attain that badge, it'll have to get its hands dirty...really dirty.
F-22Raptor
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Hypersonic
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They most certainly did not, forgetting the fact there is 0 evidence of this, I doubt the Israelis would be stupid enough to risk having a F35 get shot down and get humiliated during the process of this mostly symbolic strike.
What really happened is they striked Iran using air launched ballistic missile from Jordanian/Iraqi air space using the collision fighters as a shield. Even if Iran could have sent in interceptors (whether plane or missiles) there is no way it could know whether a fighter jet belongs to Israel or another nation.
Starlord
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Million Dollar Question now here is, Will Iran respond to this strike by Israel ? Not a big fan of Iranian foreign policy and have my differences, but even if IAF did penetrated Iranian AD system I won't be surprised because Israel AF has some of the most sophisticated EW systems, not to mention that US AF and USN along with UK assets protecting or Jamming Iranian Radars, when Iran launch strike against the mad dog the US/UK like a good puppy come to its rescue, along with few Arab stupid countries. So If Iran launch another attack on another AF base once again it won't be just Israel but entire West who will be protecting its Air space, and Iranian missiles penetrating that in itself is a achievement for them, I know few PDF mods/TT's who will claim western piss to be mountain Dew won't accept anything, so my suggestion to Iranian members here is to be more practical and ignore.
tsunset
The Legend
If we listen to leaders and other officials, it will respond
They use the same quotes and speech from past retaliations
But they will probably wait 2 weeks/1 month or 2 before it, knowing Iran it will probably be a proportionate response exclusively aimed at military assets
ParthianLord
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what a none sense , "definitely" haha... can i laugh in your face ? show me just one source that is not a random twitter channel that made such claims,
not even israeli news outlet claim this or their government made such claims,
just show me one government official claiming "we penetrated their airspace with our F35´s"
its pretty much known how the attack was done (with air launched ballistic missiles) over iraq.
F-22Raptor
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Israeli Strikes on Iran Expose Gap in Prowess Between Two Arch Foes
BEIRUT—The Israeli strikes on Iran hit several of Tehran’s most advanced air defenses, exposing Iran’s vulnerability to future attacks as the two enemies engage in a new era of direct confrontation.
During the hourslong attack early Saturday, Israeli warplanes struck Iranian military assets in three provinces, including three Russian-supplied aerial defense systems known as S-300, according to U.S. and Israeli officials. A fourth aerial defense system was also hit. An Israeli official added that all the air-defense systems were rendered unusable.
The Israeli attack came after significant U.S. pressure to avoid hitting Iran’s nuclear and oil facilities, with the U.S. saying Iran should now stand down from further escalations.
In a speech on Sunday, Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said that Israel had inflicted damage on Iran, though he didn’t specify what, and said that while Israel was exaggerating the impact, it would also be wrong to play down the attack or dismiss it as unimportant. Khamenei, who has led Iran since 1989, refrained from promising harsh retaliation, as he has done after other attacks in the past.
Successfully defanging Iran’s self-defense capabilities marks a new chapter in Israel’s confrontation with the Islamic Republic. It created a vulnerability in Iran’s air defenses that highlighted the significant gaps between the two sides’ military capabilities. Israel claims it now had the ability to fly over Iranian airspace.
“Iran will have to do a lot of soul-searching and spend a lot of money on air-defense systems that are capable of intercepting these kinds of new threats,” said Farzin Nadimi, senior fellow and expert on Iran’s military with the Washington Institute, a think tank. “Iran is a military-industrial nation.
There are so many targets in the country, so they really need all the air defenses they can get their hands on.”
For decades, Iran and Israel have fought each other indirectly. Iran has armed and trained militias to harass and threaten its enemies, including Israel, as a way to keep conflict away from its own borders. Israel has pressured Iran through sabotage and assassinations targeting Iran’s nuclear program, and by hitting Iranian forces abroad, including in Syria.
The recent war has pitted the two enemies in a different kind of battle: a direct, long-distance war. And they are performing very differently.
Iran has twice, in April and October, been able to sporadically penetrate Israel’s air defenses but only by firing hundreds of missiles at a time.
Israel has twice shown its ability to strike sensitive Iranian targets, with few if any of its weapons being intercepted. A previous Israeli attack hit an aerial defense radar in April. Saturday’s assault involved Israel’s most-advanced aerial weapon, F-35 jet fighters, which are adept at evading radar, people familiar with the mission said.
Israel hailed the weekend attack as a major victory.
“Now, the state of Israel has wider freedom of action in the air over Iran as well,” military spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a televised briefing Saturday.
The S-300 is a family of surface-to-air missile systems designed by the Soviet Union in the 1960s and 1970s, and now used to defend against planes, drones and, to some extent, cruise and ballistic missiles. Russia supplied Iran S-300 systems in 2016, after nine years of delay due to nuclear negotiations and international sanctions.
Although details about the systems aren’t publicly known, experts believe Iran received between 40 and 60 launchers as part of the total order, each of which is capable of carrying up to four missiles.
The S-300 systems are used to protect high-value targets such as nuclear sites and the domestic Mehrabad airport used for official flights. One battery is kept mobile and travels with Khamenei when he visits his home city of Mashhad in the country’s east, according to Nadimi, whose research is based on sources inside Iran and satellite imagery.
Iran has a domestically produced long-range, road-mobile air-defense system called Bavar-373, which it says can compete with the more advanced S-400 system. It also has a range of less advanced domestically produced aerial defense systems, which it can redeploy to replace the damaged batteries, Nadimi said.
Iran has long sought the more advanced S-400 systems from Russia, but Western officials say there is no evidence so far Tehran has received any.
Israel struck one of the S-300 defense batteries positioned near the Natanz nuclear facility in April when it attacked Iran in retaliation for a 300-missile and drone barrage. Saturday’s attack is believed to have hit most if not all of the remaining S-300s. Experts say that, even as the damage from the attack is still being assessed, the fact that Israel was able to hit Iran’s most advanced aerial defenses and some of its most sensitive military sites is significant.
“Iran’s anti-air defenses are vulnerable to superior strike technology. They’re insufficient to protect Iran’s airspace from better-equipped adversaries, Israel in particular,” said Afshon Ostovar, an expert on Iran’s military at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif. “Those systems aren’t easily replaced. Iran probably has some redundancies, but even so, Israel might have paved the way for future attacks to be easier and less restricted.”
While Israel owes much of its military prowess to U.S. assistance, Iran has relied mostly on domestic technological development and support from Russia and China. The recent exposure of its vulnerabilities raises questions about the limits and benefits of its alliance with Moscow and Beijing.
Since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Tehran and Moscow have strengthened their military ties, with Iran supplying drones and ballistic missiles to Moscow, Western officials say. China in 2020 signed a long-term partnership deal with Iran, which included some cooperation on military research and weapons development. Russia and Iran are due to complete their own long-term strategic partnership, Russian President Vladimir Putin said after meeting his Iranian counterpart last week.
Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns said in July 2023 that there were signs of Russian technicians working on Iran’s space launch vehicle program “and other aspects of their missile programs.” Iran’s space launch program is believed to be part of efforts to develop intercontinental missiles.
Those relationships come with caveats, however. Russia and China both have strategic ties with some of Iran’s regional rivals, including Saudi Arabia. Russia shares some interests with Israel in Syria. China, which imports half of its energy from the Middle East and prefers to keep conflict in the Middle East subdued, has always been reluctant to provide military assistance to Iran, said Raz Zimmt, senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies in Israel, even as Beijing has worked to help Iran get around U.S. sanctions.
“Iran’s relationship with Russia and China is compartmentalized and follows each country’s interests,” said Dina Esfandiary, senior adviser for the Middle East and North Africa at the International Crisis Group. “It means there are times where Russia and China don’t see helping Iran out as in their interest.’”
U.S. officials question how quickly Russia will be able to provide Iran with new missile defenses when its resources are stretched by the Ukraine war. Some U.S. officials believe delays could strain Russian-Iranian relations, which historically have been characterized by mistrust.
In the aftermath of the attack, Iranian officials appeared to play down the Israeli attack, suggesting that Tehran isn’t planning an immediate forceful response against Israel directly. Iran said Israel had fired missiles from Iraqi airspace, and accused the U.S. of complicity in the attack for providing Israel with advanced weaponry.
Khamenei on Sunday stressed that military pressure should not dissuade the Islamic Republic from pursuing advanced weapons, such as high-range missiles.
“Of course, our officials should be the ones to assess and precisely apprehend what needs to be done and do whatever is in the best interests of this country and nation,” Khamenei said. “They still haven’t been able to correctly understand the power, capability, ingenuity, and determination of the Iranian people. We need to make them understand these things.”
Iran’s quest for military technology could complicate the conflicts in the Middle East and beyond, Ostovar said.
“For example, were Russia to supply Iran with S-400 anti-air batteries and send Russian troops to man those systems, it’d add another layer of geopolitical risk for Israel,” he said.
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