Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[maverick]

@Persian Gulf @jauk @Liquidator @MastanKhan @tsunset

I wanted to discuss a scenario

lets suppose that Iran proceeds with another BM attack and premise is to attack IDF/AF which played the crucial role in Attacking IRAN and causing casualties.

Iran Launches major BM strikes in very large numbers on all IDF/AF airbases and civilian airports. very high saturated strikes hitting everything on the bases.

Iran targets Runways/Taxiways and they are successfully put out of commission since the BM attack is multiple waves 4-5 hours long. yes they will be repaired but it will take time always. IDF/AF as soon as BM strikes were launched all its serviceable aircraft were put in air.

Now quite large number of aircraft are in air, with all Airbases/airports in Entity are damaged heavily and runways and taxiways are damaged. (military and civilian)

Where do they go and land?

Egypt, Jordan and Cyprus/Turkey??

what would be the status?

they will land in king Abdullah’s palace…

 

[maverick]

Before Iran launches True Promise III, we really need to find reliable answers to these questions:

Which countries helped Israel get close to our air space?
We know that Jordan did it. We know that Iraq didn't do anything. There is some evidence suggesting that Azerbaijan helped Israel in this attack. The US is said to have provided Israel with an air corridor. If the US jet fighters escorted Israeli fighters, where did they take off from? Al-Udaida in Qatar? Both Azerbaijan and Qatar have super amicable ties with Erdogan. So, it seems that Turkey might be indirectly involved as well.

What can Iran do to limit the effects of a similar attack in future?

Massive attack thwarted by Iran's AD.

Khamenei has long been against strengthening the Air Force.

When, where and how?

If this ping-pong continues, our OTH sites will definitely be targeted next, rendering us blind against cruise missile attacks.

Utter nonsense. Your assumption is not a fact. If they could they would've.

Also, Iran is a large country and Israel has proven times and times again that it can launch quadcopters against critical facilities in Iran by assembling them inside Iran. Other than that, our eastern border and central parts of Iran have terrible radar coverage since the Shah era and the US can help Israel launch larger drones deep into our territory.

Stop talking as if the US and the zionist entity is acting in vacuum where Iran is a sitting duck.

How long can this ping-pong continue until one side gives up?
If things remain as they are, IDF having a superior air force will most likely come out victorious in this ping-pong fight, particularly if they focus on our energy infrastructure in Khuzestan instead of trying to attack deep into Iranian territory.

Their airforce won't mean anything if they go down that route. The occupying regime will be destroyed if it does. It's confined on a small space with no strategic depth.

Iran, on the other hand, at some point will run out of MRBMs and if IDF continues to target Iranian missile production sites, we won't be able to restore our stocks at a sustainable rate.

This point is probably the most nonsensical of your post. The combined West will run out of bullets before Iran runs out of missiles. War is production. Iran has put the majority of its weapons production on producing thousands of missiles yearly over decades.

Will Iranian allies/proxies participate in the war?

Already proven!

If Iranian allies like Syria, Iraqi groups, Hezbollah and Houthis of Yemen do not directly get involved in the war, the situation will be really bad for Iran. Hezbollah and Syria need to keep the IDF busy on the ground (launch an invasion of Israel) and Houthis of Yemen need to enforce a blockade on Israeli trade.

Already answered.

And this has to be meaningful. Not just token attacks without tactical or strategic value.

Apparently you've not been following the unfolding events in our world.

So, Iran doesn't seem ready for this war. Everyone agrees that economically, Iran is not ready for this war.

You clearly have no clue about the socioeconomic ability of Iran. Iran fought the holy defence against the combined West and East without even putting their economy on a war footing.

But even from a military point of view, Iran is not ready yet. And if I were an Iranian decision maker, I wouldn't rely on Russia or China delivering game-changing weapons to Iran.

Iran has prepared to fight the US without any assistance from any state a long time ago. It's defence doctrine is enshrined into its constitution.

Your whole post is just conjecture with you answering your own nonsensical assumptions.

I hope I've answered your question. Thank you

Then Iran will go nuclear

 

[LongLiveIran]

Before Iran launches True Promise III, we really need to find reliable answers to these questions:

Which countries helped Israel get close to our air space?
We know that Jordan did it. We know that Iraq didn't do anything. There is some evidence suggesting that Azerbaijan helped Israel in this attack. The US is said to have provided Israel with an air corridor. If the US jet fighters escorted Israeli fighters, where did they take off from? Al-Udaida in Qatar? Both Azerbaijan and Qatar have super amicable ties with Erdogan. So, it seems that Turkey might be indirectly involved as well.

What can Iran do to limit the effects of a similar attack in future?

Massive attack thwarted by Iran's AD.

Khamenei has long been against strengthening the Air Force.

When, where and how?

If this ping-pong continues, our OTH sites will definitely be targeted next, rendering us blind against cruise missile attacks.

Utter nonsense. Your assumption is not a fact. If they could they would've.

Also, Iran is a large country and Israel has proven times and times again that it can launch quadcopters against critical facilities in Iran by assembling them inside Iran. Other than that, our eastern border and central parts of Iran have terrible radar coverage since the Shah era and the US can help Israel launch larger drones deep into our territory.

Stop talking as if the US and the zionist entity is acting in vacuum where Iran is a sitting duck.

How long can this ping-pong continue until one side gives up?
If things remain as they are, IDF having a superior air force will most likely come out victorious in this ping-pong fight, particularly if they focus on our energy infrastructure in Khuzestan instead of trying to attack deep into Iranian territory.

Their airforce won't mean anything if they go down that route. The occupying regime will be destroyed if it does. It's confined on a small space with no strategic depth.

Iran, on the other hand, at some point will run out of MRBMs and if IDF continues to target Iranian missile production sites, we won't be able to restore our stocks at a sustainable rate.

This point is probably the most nonsensical of your post. The combined West will run out of bullets before Iran runs out of missiles. War is production. Iran has put the majority of its weapons production on producing thousands of missiles yearly over decades.

Will Iranian allies/proxies participate in the war?

Already proven!

If Iranian allies like Syria, Iraqi groups, Hezbollah and Houthis of Yemen do not directly get involved in the war, the situation will be really bad for Iran. Hezbollah and Syria need to keep the IDF busy on the ground (launch an invasion of Israel) and Houthis of Yemen need to enforce a blockade on Israeli trade.

Already answered.

And this has to be meaningful. Not just token attacks without tactical or strategic value.

Apparently you've not been following the unfolding events in our world.

So, Iran doesn't seem ready for this war. Everyone agrees that economically, Iran is not ready for this war.

You clearly have no clue about the socioeconomic ability of Iran. Iran fought the holy defence against the combined West and East without even putting their economy on a war footing.

But even from a military point of view, Iran is not ready yet. And if I were an Iranian decision maker, I wouldn't rely on Russia or China delivering game-changing weapons to Iran.

Iran has prepared to fight the US without any assistance from any state a long time ago. It's defence doctrine is enshrined into its constitution.

Your whole post is just conjecture with you answering your own nonsensical assumptions.

I hope I've answered your question. Thank you

If anything is nonsense, your entire post is emotional nonsense.

You think Iran can produce missiles more than the combined West can produce bullets? And you think that's not nonsense? lol

They have hit multiple facilities deep inside the Iranian territory. They have hit a SAM site near Tehran. I wouldn't call that failure. Even Khamenei is not as delusional as you are. He rightfully said that their attack should not be undermined or exaggerated.

Anyone with the least amount of military knowledge knows that Israel, and probably the US, will attempt to hit our OTH radars. One of the very first questions that @Persian Gulf rightfully asked was "Did they hit Ghamar?". If you think they won't attempt to do that and the US is completely unable to do that, you're an imbecile. Good luck with detecting their cruise missiles without AWACS or OTH radars in a country like Iran with mountainous terrain.

What happened to "we will hit countries that allow Israel to use their air space"? Hit Jordan now. It is crystal clear that Israeli F-16s used Jordanian air space. Who's stopping you? Hit American bases in Iraq in retaliation.

I'm not going to waste my time on you.

 

[Lulldapull]

I cannot see in details in a low quality picture

I still see the shadow of the building. Integrity is preserved

Black hole should be 50 times bigger after secondary explosions

Every one in Shahrud would hear it.

Hangar is a fortified structure. This is a sheet of corrugated aluminum

Like they’d leave anything vulnerable under the sun exposed like a bunch of incompetents….lol…..concrete ready made mixers used for mixing rocket fuel at low RPM in powdered form.

My ghaad…….lets inject a new syringe of fentanyl shall we.

 

[ToddE]

The more action we see, the more western name brand products get trashed. This is a daily occurrence now.

Who the hell will purchase these multi billion dollar US or Russian systems now?

Nothing is trash; it's just that new military-industrial complexes are entering the market now to break the monopoly. With time, the quality catches up.

This conflict is a blessing in disguise for Iran because we are facing worlds greatest foe without losing anything of our own. Time to learn and adapt.

 

[MihanDefender]

I am not surprised that Israel would have such capabilities considering the heavy military support that is given to them by the U.S!

The limited damage done was not by israel but by quadcopters from inside Iran. There is no tech against treason.

 

[UKBengali]

If anything is nonsense, your entire post is emotional nonsense.

You think Iran can produce missiles more than the combined West can produce bullets? And you think that's not nonsense? lol

They have hit multiple facilities deep inside the Iranian territory. They have hit a SAM site near Tehran. I wouldn't call that failure. Even Khamenei is not as delusional as you are. He rightfully said that their attack should not be undermined or exaggerated.

Anyone with the least amount of military knowledge knows that Israel, and probably the US, will attempt to hit our OTH radars. One of the very first questions that @Persian Gulf rightfully asked was "Did they hit Ghamar?". If you think they won't attempt to do that and the US is completely unable to do that, you're an imbecile. Good luck with detecting their cruise missiles without AWACS or OTH radars in a country like Iran with mountainous terrain.

What happened to "we will hit countries that allow Israel to use their air space"? Hit Jordan now. It is crystal clear that Israeli F-16s used Jordanian air space. Who's stopping you? Hit American bases in Iraq in retaliation.

I'm not going to waste my time on you.

Your problem is that you assume that Iran will remain passive in this scenario

It won't and can launch waves after wave of missile strikes to cripple the entity and if need be the US bases in the region.

Will Iran take major damage? For sure but the entity will be decapitated and US will be expelled from the region in a major war as that is what will happen if the Zio-US does what you say it is capable of.

Your "I'm not going to waste my time on you" flippant last line will mean that very soon you will only be talking to Zionists, anti-Muslims, racists and yourself on this forum.

 

[LongLiveIran]

Your problem is that you assume that Iran will remain passive in this scenario

It won't and can launch waves after wave of missile strikes to cripple the entity and if need be the US bases in the region.

Will Iran take major damage? For sure but the entity will be decapitated and US will be expelled from the region in a major war as that is what will happen if the Zio-US does what you say it is capable of.

Your "I'm not going to waste my time on you" flippant last line will mean that very soon you will only be talking to Zionists, anti-Muslims, racists and yourself on this forum.

I didn't assume that Iran would remain passive in this scenario.

On the other hand, I am assuming that Iran would launch True Promise III and would hit several Israeli military bases.

How do you want to decapitate the entity? By hitting their hangars and runways?
Tell me step by step how Iran would go up the escalation ladder and "decapitate" the entity. And don't forget that Trump is likely to win the election soon. And Trump is way more unpredictable than sleepy Joe. He assassinated Soleimani in Baghdad without warning.

That guy was disrespectful. I don't enjoy engaging emotional people with stupid claims like "Iran will run out of missiles when the West run out of bullets" who also have a disrespectful tone.

 

[Tijani]

If anything is nonsense, your entire post is emotional nonsense.

You think Iran can produce missiles more than the combined West can produce bullets? And you think that's not nonsense? lol

They have hit multiple facilities deep inside the Iranian territory. They have hit a SAM site near Tehran. I wouldn't call that failure. Even Khamenei is not as delusional as you are. He rightfully said that their attack should not be undermined or exaggerated.

Anyone with the least amount of military knowledge knows that Israel, and probably the US, will attempt to hit our OTH radars. One of the very first questions that @Persian Gulf rightfully asked was "Did they hit Ghamar?". If you think they won't attempt to do that and the US is completely unable to do that, you're an imbecile. Good luck with detecting their cruise missiles without AWACS or OTH radars in a country like Iran with mountainous terrain.

What happened to "we will hit countries that allow Israel to use their air space"? Hit Jordan now. It is crystal clear that Israeli F-16s used Jordanian air space. Who's stopping you? Hit American bases in Iraq in retaliation.

I'm not going to waste my time on you.

Apparently you do not get the sarcasm that the West will run out of bullets before Iran runs out of missiles. That's saying a lot. I won't insult you personally by calling you an imbecile! I would be very greatful if give no more of your time though

 

[LongLiveIran]

Apparently you do not get the sarcasm that the West will run out of bullets before Iran runs out of missiles. That's saying a lot. I won't insult you personally by calling you an imbecile! I would be very greatful if give no more of your time though

You think Iran has an unlimited number of ballistic missiles and we will keep shooting them until we win the war. That's your strategy, isn't it?

I still remember that people here said 100 missiles would be enough to render an airbase nonoperational for weeks. Iran hit Nevatim Air Base with dozens of successful hits and it is far from nonoperational. It wasn't nonoperational even for a week.

For the record, the problem wasn't your claim. It was your disrespectful tone.

 

[Lulldapull]

I am afraid you are highly ill-informed on the subject. Khinzal is a Non-warhead separating rocket with quasi to depressed ballistic trajectory so it lacks KE/burnout V that a Boost-Skip-Glide system achieves like Fattah/Kheibar Shikan, instead it relies upon thrust for speed along with some maneuvering. Moreover, the biggest different is that it does not deploy a Re-entry Vehicle, nor does it has a terminal manuvering feature or any no MaRV to perform evasive maneuvering.

The Fattah and Kheibar-Shikan missiles are boost-skip-glide systems with lofted apogee to gain max KE for high burnout velocity. Both deploy MaRVs. As a matter of fact Kheibar-Shikan's RV was caught on camera performing evasive maneuvering over Israeli Airbase which it hit later. This separation process confuses radars because they for some time can not differentiate between the separated stage and RV because for seconds they have the same speed and RCS (coming at same angle and are of similar size in case of Kheibar-Shikan). Only after some time the motion disparity shows enough contrast. Kinzhal cant do this. The entire Israeli ALBM package of the Sparrow family is also Lofted Apoge separating RVs, very similar to Iranian Fateh-110 descended missiles that Fattah/Kheibar Shikan themselves come from. Only difference is Israel uses them as ALBMs because they do not want to provide TEL as targets on their land, while IRGC-AF uses TELs although ALBM version exists.



Here are some clips of dozens and possibly 100+ missiles passing through and hitting targets right over the top of Iron Dome, Davids Sling and whatnot.







Most are Fattahs and Kheibar Shikans, few are Ghadr-F/H (exoatmospheric MaRV) or Emad (endoatmospheric MaRV). Iran has never deployed its big guns like Sejjil (2 solid staged+Exoatmospheric MaRV suspected IRBM) or Kheibar-4 (Post boost phase vehicle PBV with a clustered warhead, another suspected IRBM).

Please provide evidence of Fattah or Kheibar Shikan being intercepted?

Irans fucked them all up. These US and all their third class toady couldn’t pull a 100th of this bombardment…..

 

[Tijani]

I didn't assume that Iran would remain passive in this scenario.

On the other hand, I am assuming that Iran would launch True Promise III and would hit several Israeli military bases.

How do you want to decapitate the entity? By hitting their hangars and runways?
Tell me step by step how Iran would go up the escalation ladder and "decapitate" the entity. And don't forget that Trump is likely to win the election soon. And Trump is way more unpredictable than sleepy Joe. He assassinated Soleimani in Baghdad without warning.

That guy was disrespectful. I don't enjoy engaging emotional people with stupid claims like "Iran will run out of missiles when the West run out of bullets" who also have a disrespectful tone.

Please show me a single line where I have been emotional, disrespectful or insulted you. Please! After that both you and I can agree to disagree. My fault for taking for granted that you'd get the point on my missile statement. My bad!

 

[ToddE]

@Emirzad emir pls is this true? I don't believe it tbh.

A year back it seemed to be transitioning to full operationalization. One such site was reported in January between Tehran and Pakdasht which seemed to be converting from S-200 to Bavar-373, someone posted TELARS and its additional Track radars Sat photos. Another site is reported very recently to be somewhere around Shiraz.

Someone should find Satellite images.

 

[MihanDefender]

You think Iran has an unlimited number of ballistic missiles and we will keep shooting them until we win the war. That's your strategy, isn't it?

I still remember that people here said 100 missiles would be enough to render an airbase nonoperational for weeks. Iran hit Nevatim Air Base with dozens of successful hits and it is far from nonoperational. It wasn't nonoperational even for a week.

For the record, the problem wasn't your claim. It was your disrespectful tone.

You guys sound so whiny, thank god Iran isn't in your hands or Iran wouldn't have more than 2 streets.

 

[UKBengali]

How do you want to decapitate the entity? By hitting their hangars and runways?

Iran last time was not really trying to cause any major damage as they could have gone after more senstive targets like ABM radars.

We saw plenty of accurate hits like the one(maybe HGV) that took out a electricity substation and so of course Iran has certain missiles that have the accuracy to hit smaller targets like radars.

It seems Iran is being a little bit passive as they probably want to do everything they can to keep the US out and anyway entity is being put under pressure by the resistance and it has suffered a humiliating defeat from Hezbollah in Lebanon after just 1 month of claiming "victory".

Does Iran lack certain capabilities like ABM system and even more accurate missiles? Of course but it has enough capabilities right now that even the US does not think it worthwhile to get into a war with it and it is not just because of the upcoming elections as they have never attacked Iran over the last 2 decades.