Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[UKBengali]

True Promise 3 must deliver a decisive and crushing blow to Israhell's weapons production capabilities to 'return the favor' of what they attempted to do to Iran... Factories, armaments storage sites, vehicle repair workshops, fuel depots, these all ought to go...

Iran should be aiming to hit ABM radars and missile producing factories.

At least the 2nd is within their capability and maybe the first as well if their newest missiles are equipped with passive radar seekers.

 

[hussain0216]

Trump has a TODO list of foreign policy items he will check off quickly.

1. Reassure Russia and throw Ukraine under the bus.
2. Give Israel the green light for war with Iran and Lebanon.
3. High profile economic actions against China.
4. High profile support for right wing parties in Europe.
5. Reassure GCC Arabs rulers of US support.

Israel doesn't want war with Iran, Israel CANT handle Iran and endless conflict

It's a small state and it's forces are tired

What Israel wants is someone ELSE to step in on its behalf and take on Iran and others, like they did with Iraq

Already Israeli reservists are worn out, repeatedly taken from jobs and family
Others are going back abroad because they can't remain to fight forever

Israel is dependent on funds and weapons from the U.S and the U.S military is already heavily involved in protecting Israel and supporting it's attacks but doesn't actively want to go beyond that

Israel wants to instigate the U.S to get involved
OR it wants Iran to cross a red line forcing the U.S to get involved


Irans best ploy may be to constantly keep Israel in this mid level conflict where it just gets worn out

 

[UKBengali]

Israel doesn't want war with Iran, Israel CANT handle Iran and endless conflict

It's a small state and it's forces are tired

What Israel wants is someone ELSE to step in on its behalf and take on Iran and others, like they did with Iraq

Already Israeli reservists are worn out, repeatedly taken from jobs and family
Others are going back abroad because they can't remain to fight forever

Israel is dependent on funds and weapons from the U.S and the U.S military is already heavily involved in protecting Israel and supporting it's attacks but doesn't actively want to go beyond that

Israel wants to instigate the U.S to get involved
OR it wants Iran to cross a red line forcing the U.S to get involved


Irans best ploy may be to constantly keep Israel in this mid level conflict where it just gets worn out

Don’t forget there is nothing the US can do anymore to “reassure” Russia.

Russia is winning in Ukraine and so even if Trump cuts of all new funds and weapons to Ukraine, it will make no difference to the end result -Russia still wins in a year or two.

They have killed over 100,000 Russians and cost it hundreds of billions of US dollars.

Russians won’t again trust the west for a generation or two now at least.

 

[hussain0216]

Just to add to the above, this is why Israel is evil and brutal, it's trying to force the resistance to SUBMIT
So it's trying to bomb civilian targets killing multiple innocents with the aim of the resistance being forced to stop the conflict because of the slaughter

If you want revenge on Israel you need to keep It in a constant state of draining conflict

 

[Developereo]

Israel wants to instigate the U.S to get involved
OR it wants Iran to cross a red line forcing the U.S to get involved

I agree.

Unfortunately, Trump is highly aligned with Israel on at least one matter: taking out Iran's nuclear capability. If he becomes President, Israel will see this as their golden opportunity to get the US involved in that mission.

 

[hussain0216]

I agree.

Unfortunately, Trump is highly aligned with Israel on at least one matter: taking out Iran's nuclear capability. If he becomes President, Israel will see this as their golden opportunity to get the US involved in that mission.

Irans biggest defence is OFFENCE

If it's enemies believe any attack on its oil or nuclear infrastructure will get a response that will devastate Israeli infrastructure or American interests in the middle east then they will stop

If they believe they can attack Iran and then irans response will be missiles into open ground or no major destruction, they may just MAY take the chance


It's up to Iran to declare that any attack will be responded to and aim for Israeli infrastructure

 

[FHN]

I wasn't suggesting that Israel or US wants a land war with Iran. The ground invasion would only be in Lebanon.

I can't foresee any realistic scenario where US troops would be on the ground in Iran or Lebanon.

Well then Israel has no reason to start a war with Iran if they can't topple the government of Iran. U mean they will go after hezbollah instead and a possible ground invasion in Syria?

 

[Developereo]

Well then Israel has no reason to start a war with Iran if they can't topple the government of Iran.

Israel's wish is to get the US to destroy Iranian economic infrastructure to the point where the country is thrown into chaos and a pro-West, Shah like, government takes over.

U mean they will go after hezbollah instead and a possible ground invasion in Syria?

Israel doesn't need to worry about Syria. Russia has told Assad not to make any trouble with Israel.

 

[Flotilla]

These are for bombing areas without air defense

I don´t agree.
Iran has probably reserve air defenses storaged. Maybe there are not last generation Bavar 373 MKII or S300PMU-2, but for sure Iran retains in storage from Khordad´s 3 or Tabas Air defense systems not to tell any S200 storaged.
And day after day must be producing more system in a basis of 24/7. So probably in few weeks damaged systems will be repaired and in a month or two new systems would be introduced in service.
B52 are for launching ABM or cruise missiles IMO. Those obviously cannot even reach the border safely.

 

[FHN]

Israel's wish is to get the US to destroy Iranian economic infrastructure to the point where the country is thrown into chaos and a pro-West, Shah like, government takes over.



Israel doesn't need to worry about Syria. Russia has told Assad not to make any trouble with Israel.

It makes sense. Iran will certainly retaliate, chances of a revolution is low without US ground invasion. Bombing civilians will make them hate you more. Pro-shah will lose more influence if that's the case.

 

[FHN]

Israel's wish is to get the US to destroy Iranian economic infrastructure to the point where the country is thrown into chaos and a pro-West, Shah like, government takes over.



Israel doesn't need to worry about Syria. Russia has told Assad not to make any trouble with Israel.

What do you think will happen if US commits ground troops in Lebanon to destroy hezbollah? Isn't that a better option? Israel creates a buffer zone in the north without escalating a war with Iran but I'm not sure if Iran will allow that to happen. Israel so far shows no progress with ground invasion in Lebanon. They can't do it themselves. They lack the courage to fully commit.

 

[Developereo]

What do you think will happen if US commits ground troops in Lebanon to destroy hezbollah? Isn't that a better option? Israel creates a buffer zone in the north without escalating a war with Iran but I'm not sure if Iran will allow that to happen. Israel so far shows no progress with ground invasion in Lebanon. They can't do it themselves. They lack the courage to fully commit.

I don't see a realistic scenario where the US puts troops in Lebanon. It will give Israel all the money, weapons and logistics it needs, but no US troops in Lebanon or Gaza.

Ground invasion of Iran is, of course, completely out of the question.

 

[UKBengali]

What do you think will happen if US commits ground troops in Lebanon to destroy hezbollah? Isn't that a better option? Israel creates a buffer zone in the north without escalating a war with Iran but I'm not sure if Iran will allow that to happen. Israel so far shows no progress with ground invasion in Lebanon. They can't do it themselves. They lack the courage to fully commit.

The US would need to start a major military assault in that case and that would be open war with Hezbollah.

Yes they can probably beat Hezbollah along with the Zionist terrorist Army but expect thousands of dead Americans. There will be no US public support for this and not a good start to the Trump Presidency.

 

[jauk]

Well then Israel has no reason to start a war with Iran if they can't topple the government of Iran. U mean they will go after hezbollah instead and a possible ground invasion in Syria?

? With what army. Literally.

 

[jauk]

I don´t agree.
Iran has probably reserve air defenses storaged. Maybe there are not last generation Bavar 373 MKII or S300PMU-2, but for sure Iran retains in storage from Khordad´s 3 or Tabas Air defense systems not to tell any S200 storaged.
And day after day must be producing more system in a basis of 24/7. So probably in few weeks damaged systems will be repaired and in a month or two new systems would be introduced in service.
B52 are for launching ABM or cruise missiles IMO. Those obviously cannot even reach the border safely.

Days. Hours.