Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Qatar has pulled out as mediator

Qatar suspends role as mediator between Israel and Hamas

The move comes after US officials were quoted saying they would not accept Hamas's presence in Qatar.

www.bbc.com

is that really relevant to this thread?

 

[jauk]

You are right that China has not been invading countries all over the place so their military tech remains unproven in combat.

However, China has left Europe in the dust long ago in almost every technology except, perhaps, engine tech. The only competition right now is between the US and China in terms of cutting edge technologies.

Pakistan has used JF-17 successfully in combat against India's Russian origin tech, but I will concede your point that Chinese military tech has not seen large scale combat.

I disagree. At the end, a few sorties a combat aircraft engine does not make.

 

[Lulldapull]

you can see much more kids living im similar conditions in every western capital city...

Subcontinent and middle east have much more poverty than Europe or the US.

Living in the subcontinent is almost a criminal offense these days.

 

[Persian Gulf]

you can see much more kids living im similar conditions in every western capital city...

this is not true ... official poverty rates prove that

 

[Lulldapull]

US cars stopped being 'better' many decades ago. Japanese cars overtook the US auto industry in reliability, and European cars always had the edge on snob appeal.

US power will decline, relatively speaking, but many people have no idea how strong the US is in emerging technologies. Next generation nanotech, biotech, semicon tech, AI, robotics, etc, etc. In just about every area of emerging tech, the US is either leading by a margin or is matched by China.

Just take the example of fracking to extract oil. The GCC countries have had decades of head start and billions of dollars but what did they do with all that money? did they invest in improving the technology? getting more efficient? No, they spent their country's wealth to build idiotic tall buildings and to buy shiny toys. By contrast, the US invested in fracking technology and the tech keeps improving literally every year, so that the US is now the top oil exporter in the world using fewer sites.

The US is developing kamikaze microdrones the size of a mosquito. These drones will make 99% of the current security setup obsolete around the world.

No other country on the planet even comes close to US or China when it comes to emerging tech. Europe became irrelevant decades ago.

P.S. Any US collapse will come from internal societal issues, e.g. the polarization highlighted in recent elections.

All the money of these Gulfy and other middle easterner Muslims is in Bank of America. Trump warned Iraqi PM Mehdi that if he don’t suck up, the US would not only assassinate him but also confiscate all of the Iraqi funds in the US.

 

[Lulldapull]

All the money of these Gulfy and other middle easterner Muslims is in Bank of America. Trump warned Iraqi PM Mehdi that if he don’t suck up, the US would not only assassinate him but also confiscate all of the Iraqi funds in the US.

@Developereo

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iraq-warns-of-collapse-as-trump-threatens-to-block-oil-cash-kept-in-fed-bank/amp/

 

[vmro]

this is not true ... official poverty rates prove that

this is not true ... official poverty rates prove that

Yes, if we are looking for average official statistics, but numbers in ex colonial lords and bankers will not show cruel life of lower unfortunate people...In this poor dysfunctional Balkan social politics is more human to poorest than in the UK or USA, at least they will not die for food and will not sleep on streets...

No one talking that number of refugees in Iran is counting the millions poor people, even US states between them are limited to far less numbers during natural disaster...

Millions refugees is challenge for every, literary every country in the world, that is Guinness number in today's global society...

Official numbers will not present this;

Behind their eyes: The homeless of the US West Coast

The stories of the homeless on the West Coast of the United States.

www.aljazeera.com

Number of UK children in food poverty nearly doubles in a year to 4m

Support grows for expansion of free school meals to struggling families in face of rising hunger

www.theguardian.com

Ps
I know that politically sources are questionable, but there are links inside articles to official UN institutions, and subject is not political...

 

[vmro]

Remember that a lot of us here thought that by the end of August there would be no TP2.

Attacks didn’t dramatically affect Iran, and during attack of idf, the second, I was sure that first we may wait for New Year holiday, western style 31dec... no need to hurry, forum criticism is important for the future as well as the last year snow is important for next winter... this is the last TP that will count more on the symbolic wound than devastation...

Same story like period before TP2...

 

[Immortals]

Remember that a lot of us here thought that by the end of August there would be no TP2.

Well Israel forced Iran’s hand by:

-blinding its Ambassador to Lebanon via the pager attack
-Killing Nasrallah and An Iranian Quds force Brigadier General

So at that point even if Iran decided to forgo a revenge attack for the Tehran assassination of the [then] leader of Hamas, it had to act.

In Tehran there was billboards and posters of Nasrallah and the slain Brigadier General all over the city shortly after it happened, that almost always means Iran will take some type of action.

In case of TP3, 4 soldiers were killed on its own soil + a civilian on its own soil + outskirts of Tehran were targeted. That’s 3 red lines violated in a single operation. Not since Saddam and the Iran-Iraq war has that happened. Iran is very sensitive about its cities and civilians being targeted. It stirs up bad memories.

Iran will respond sometime between now and before Trump takes office. Plenty of time to plan and strategize for Iran especially if it’s going to be a bigger operation than TP2

 

[UKBengali]

Well Israel forced Iran’s hand by:

-blinding its Ambassador to Lebanon via the pager attack
-Killing Nasrallah and An Iranian Quds force Brigadier General

So at that point even if Iran decided to forgo a revenge attack for the Tehran assassination of the [then] leader of Hamas, it had to act.

In Tehran there was billboards and posters of Nasrallah and the slain Brigadier General all over the city shortly after it happened, that almost always means Iran will take some type of action.

In case of TP3, 4 soldiers were killed on its own soil + a civilian on its own soil + outskirts of Tehran were targeted. That’s 3 red lines violated in a single operation. Not since Saddam and the Iran-Iraq war has that happened. Iran is very sensitive about its cities and civilians being targeted. It stirs up bad memories.

Iran will respond sometime between now and before Trump takes office. Plenty of time to plan and strategize for Iran especially if it’s going to be a bigger operation than TP2

That is an "unknown" of course but your are almost certainly right.

Iran seemed like it was going to let the late April entity attack on it and even the killing of Haniyah slide.

As to when Iran should respond, only the Iranian leadership knows the most optimum moment for this.

It is clear that the planned Zionist attack was mainly thwarted and we can certainly believe that Iranian air defence systems proved more than a match for Zio-US(yes the US was directly complicit in providing air corridor and all sorts of intelligence and radar coverage from AWACs etc) and so they could not do the damage they wanted.

However what is clear is that the biggest Zionist "win" was damaging that OTH radar site and so maybe they want to repair that and also implement lessons of how that site was successfully hit, like maybe put in "Pantsir' type systems in every OTH site from now on.

An attack from Iran will come as blood was shed and I don't think frankly the fact that Trump will be in the White House on January 20th will factor in the calculations. Iran(and Hezbollah as well) has showed it will not be cowed.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Lessons for Iran

 

[Lulldapull]

Lessons for Iran

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Yeah but the problem for North Korea is that fat Kim can’t land one right no?

Why lecture Irani turani on this?

Irani got the ballistic and hypersonic and drone tech, which we don’t got jack shit of?

Chinese weapons technology? Get real man?

China say ooper Iran no? Or you blind?

Name me one proven Chinese weapon? Lun* pe charrhay Irani turani no?

Who we kidding here?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Yeah but the problem for North Korea is that fat Kim can’t land one right no?

Why lecture Irani turani on this?

Irani got the ballistic and hypersonic and drone tech, which we don’t got jack shit of?

Chinese weapons technology? Get real man?

China say ooper Iran no? Or you blind?

Name me one proven Chinese weapon? Lun* pe charrhay Irani turani no?

Who we kidding here?

Are you having a seizure? Take care lul

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan has used JF-17 successfully in combat against India's Russian origin tech, but I will concede your point that Chinese military tech has not seen large scale combat.

AND was successfully used against Western (French tech), ie the Mirage 2000I's that ran away with "radar problems" when they tried to engage the JF17's during Swift Retort..

 

[TallGuy]

@Reichsmarschall @Lulldapull @Persian Gulf @LongLiveIran

what has world come to - new world!

is this the same entity ? those who used take pre-emptive operations now waiting daily ..they destroyed Egyptian/Syrian/Jordanian armies pre-emptively in 1967.

No they cant do this! these operations although painful but has shifted the balance or i say atleast leveled the playing field!

Well i heard a rumour the Entity in has requested urgent request to Purchase MRBMs with India (12 x TELs) and approximately 90+ MRBMS from India (Agni type with Convential payload delivery system)

i find it far fetched even by my standards. But amount investment the Indians have put in Haifa and number Indian Operatives in the Entity. who knows?