Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Is this how you are in life/work?

You disagree with someone and you have to figuratively kill them? What happened to being mature? What happened to accepting that life doesn't always go by your terms?

I'm not here to argue with you, and you should be better than to try to delete someone for not getting along with you. You're not entitled the agreement or appreciation of others. I don't have to like you, and you don't have to like me. The difference between us is that I don't care about that. I accept that. You care, you care a lot. So much so that the sight of someone who you don't like and who doesn't like you threatens you to the point that you have to force everyone else to tend to your emotions.

@Persian Gulf please set this guy straight, he's a detriment to this community as a whole- not because of his ideology, but because of his inability to be mature. @Musings and @Waz I implore you to apply an even hand and stick to the spirit of moderation.

don't waste bandwidth nor make multiple IDs

@Musings @Waz

 

[Urvan]

don't waste bandwidth nor make multiple IDs

@Musings @Waz

You're not the boss of this forum.

Understand that. People don't have to like each other. You leave me alone, I leave you alone. You started this simply because I doubted the claim that Iran has tens of thousands of missiles and has nuclear submarines (which was proven, the submarine in the picture was a U.S. submarine).

Take a step back and reflect on whether you want this to be your reputation.

 

[LeGenD]

PDaf logic detected!! Not worth responding to. @Raj-Hindustani these are the types of posts that make pdf low quality forum.

Let's recheck your predictive assessments in here, here, and here. You claimed that Hezbollah has destroyed a lot of IDF infrastructure in northern Israel and Hezbollah will finish off the remainder of IDF in South Lebanon and win the war and maybe execute Netanyahu or something. Did "really sexy toys like Fateh-110s" make any difference?

Compare that with my predictive assessment in here. Who had a realistic take on this theme and was spot on? Logically and common sense wise, unrealistic and incorrect views make PDF a low quality forum, my dear.

US tried fought for 20 years in Afghanistan, spent ; trillion dollars , lost, Do they want to try another 20 Years against Houthis ? When will Us learn lessons?

War can be a very complex and risky undertaking in some regions where people understand how to plan and fight. However, war-fighting conditions and American priorities also vary from region to region. American priority in Afghanistan was to cripple the Al-Qaeda Network and reduce its support base in the region and this objective is met and Trump refused to rebuild Afghanistan. The US was more interested in reshaping the political landscape of Iraq and Libya while conducting COIN in Afghanistan.

The US-led forces fought and crippled much larger and better equipped forces in the Middle East than Taliban groups in Afghanistan such as Iraq under Saddam (Operation Desert Storm to liberate Kuwait from Iraq in 1991, and Operation Iraqi Freedom to dismantle Saddam setup in Iraq in the (2003 - 2010) period), and hostile ISIL groups in the Middle East that were attempting to overwhelm Kurd factions and topple post-Saddam Iraqi government (Operation Inherent Resolve).

The US doesn't bring much of its power to bear in a regional conflict unless up against a large military force such as Iraqi military in 1991 (Operation Desert Storm). Even in the ongoing operation against Houthi, we see a single carrier strike group (CSG) being involved. Houthi are a formidable regional power as I have pointed out here but it is up to American leadership to decide how to deal with it. The US has many options on the table but WE still see a limited-scale operation in Yemen.

Nevertheless, who wants to fight the US and provoke a larger response from it in war? Iran seems to have a well-developed military force for sure but read this. People have feelings and many are rightfully concerned that a war with powerful countries can bring ruin.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

PDaf logic detected!! Not worth responding to. @Raj-Hindustani these are the types of posts that make pdf low quality forum.

Not sure what you meant, but I personally rate Israel's intelligence services very highly—they're extremely effective, especially during wartime.

Last time Israel responded to Iran, many members on PDF dismissed it, claiming there was little to no damage. But from what I’ve seen and understood, it was a very successful operation. It exposed serious vulnerabilities and served as a warning to Iran about how exposed they really are.

That said, as long as the U.S. continues backing Israel, they’ll maintain an upper hand. But if that support ever fades, Israel could struggle—not just against Iran, but even to maintain its own security and survival.

And I am agreed with mr. @LeGenD on his posts.

 

[Garcia Sea]

As the case of Ukraine shows, the Western bloc, which usually touts human rights, can, in times of war, seize full control and abduct citizens from street corners, throwing them into front-line trenches and forcing them to commit suicide.
Soldiers who try to flee are mercilessly executed by drone units.
Each individual's position is monitored via GPS, and movement schedules are dictated by the minute, treating soldiers as mere pawns to be callously discarded.
Even civilian economic power is fully mobilized for war.
On the other hand, non-Western countries that have been infiltrated and dominated by Western liberal ideology are extremely vulnerable.
Like the Assad regime, they cannot exercise strong authority, are intimidated by public opinion, and easily abandon the fight. Governments lack the courage to punish deserters, leaving front-line soldiers feeling unfairly singled out, causing them to flee en masse, leading to quick collapse.
It is difficult to defend a nation without breaking away from the West's false liberal ideology.

 

[ShapurII]

this is in response to full snapback of all UNSC resolutions and sanctions

so that in case it is a response to Iran's case returning to the UNSC already

Yes, but only sanctions will be reinstated in that case. That way, our case will probably be considered for Article 42 of Chapter VII of the UN charter. This is probably one of the reasons that the IR is so hesitant to make nuclear weapons. It's because they are afraid, or probably know China or Russia would not veto such a resolution.

 

[ShapurII]

wrong enriching 3.5% uranium to higher percentage wont take that much time

You have shown your lack of understanding of the nuclear issue times and times again.

I did the calculations for you. It takes 7 years to go from natural uranium (0.73%) to LEU (3.5%) with 10,000 SWU UF6/year. Go see it again and learn something.

 

[Tijani]

Trump and BiBi also think its a bad deal.
its a bad deal only if Iran want to make nukes but as Iran times and times stated it has to plan to make any nuke I'd like to knew why you think its a bad deal?

I already posted why I thought it is a bad deal but @Bharatah explained it way more eloquently.

Post in thread 'Iran - "Israel"/US Conflict: News, Updates and Discussion' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...news-updates-and-discussion.14927/post-605295

Post in thread 'Iran - "Israel"/US Conflict: News, Updates and Discussion' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...news-updates-and-discussion.14927/post-604344

 

[ShapurII]

Let's recheck your predictive assessments in here, here, and here. You claimed that Hezbollah has destroyed a lot of IDF infrastructure in northern Israel and Hezbollah will finish off the remainder of IDF in South Lebanon and win the war and maybe execute Netanyahu or something. Did "really sexy toys like Fateh-110s" make any difference?

Compare that with my predictive assessment in here. Who had a realistic take on this theme and was spot on? Logically and common sense wise, unrealistic and incorrect views make PDF a low quality forum, my dear.


War can be a very complex and risky undertaking in some regions where people understand how to plan and fight. However, war-fighting conditions and American priorities also vary from region to region. American priority in Afghanistan was to cripple the Al-Qaeda Network and reduce its support base in the region and this objective is met and Trump refused to rebuild Afghanistan. The US was more interested in reshaping the political landscape of Iraq and Libya while conducting COIN in Afghanistan.

The US-led forces fought and crippled much larger and better equipped forces in the Middle East than Taliban groups in Afghanistan such as Iraq under Saddam (Operation Desert Storm to liberate Kuwait from Iraq in 1991, and Operation Iraqi Freedom to dismantle Saddam setup in Iraq in the (2003 - 2010) period), and hostile ISIL groups in the Middle East that were attempting to overwhelm Kurd factions and topple post-Saddam Iraqi government (Operation Inherent Resolve).

The US doesn't bring much of its power to bear in a regional conflict unless up against a large military force such as Iraqi military in 1991 (Operation Desert Storm). Even in the ongoing operation against Houthi, we see a single carrier strike group (CSG) being involved. Houthi are a formidable regional power as I have pointed out here but it is up to American leadership to decide how to deal with it. The US has many options on the table but WE still see a limited-scale operation in Yemen.

Nevertheless, who wants to fight the US and provoke a larger response from it in war? Iran seems to have a well-developed military force for sure but read this. People have feelings and many are rightfully concerned that a war with powerful countries can bring ruin.

Believe me, other than a few trolls or brainwashed Basijis who have voluntarily buried their heads deep in the sand, everyone in Iran knows that a war with Iran may have tens of side effects and consequences for the world and the US, but one side effect for Iran is certain and beyond doubt: Iran's infrastructure will get flattened to dirt.

So, other than some Nigerian troll that isn't even an Iranian and some people who think Iran has wonder weapons that nobody else has, nobody in Iran, particularly scientists and professional soldiers believe that we can, or we should, take on the US forces in a war. The best we could do is bring them down with us by bringing the Western economy to a halt after Iran has been bombed to sh*t. Sure, the US may cease to exist as we know it after the war with Iran, but Iran will be hit much harder.

And let's not forget that whatever happens, the playground is Iran and the Middle East. So, at the end of the day, the destruction will be all ours in the Middle East. The US will only pay a huge economic price, and probably tens of thousands of lost soldiers (if the Ayatollahs man up and start being p*ssies). But the price will be huge for Iran and the Middle East. It could reshape the region for decades even worse than the Iraq war in 2003.

 

[OldTwilight]

even Scott Ritter is saying either just give up nuclear program or just publicly test nukes .... ( which I am suggesting for more than 13 years (

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bunch of cowards don't have balls to go either way

 

[StrategicBear]

Believe me, other than a few trolls or brainwashed Basijis who have voluntarily buried their heads deep in the sand, everyone in Iran knows that a war with Iran may have tens of side effects and consequences for the world and the US, but one side effect for Iran is certain and beyond doubt: Iran's infrastructure will get flattened to dirt.

So, other than some Nigerian troll that isn't even an Iranian and some people who think Iran has wonder weapons that nobody else has, nobody in Iran, particularly scientists and professional soldiers believe that we can, or we should, take on the US forces in a war. The best we could do is bring them down with us by bringing the Western economy to a halt after Iran has been bombed to sh*t. Sure, the US may cease to exist as we know it after the war with Iran, but Iran will be hit much harder.

And let's not forget that whatever happens, the playground is Iran and the Middle East. So, at the end of the day, the destruction will be all ours in the Middle East. The US will only pay a huge economic price, and probably tens of thousands of lost soldiers (if the Ayatollahs man up and start being p*ssies). But the price will be huge for Iran and the Middle East. It could reshape the region for decades even worse than the Iraq war in 2003.

Does Iran have any atmospheric weapons that can ignite Yellowstone Supervolcano in the US? (since you mentioned about "the destruction will be all ours in the Middle East")

 

[ShapurII]

Does Iran have any atmospheric weapons that can ignite Yellowstone Supervolcano in the US? (since you mentioned about "the destruction will be all ours in the Middle East")

Yeah, we also have space lasers that can target aliens outside of the Milky Way.

 

[LeGenD]

He worships the U.S!

Read this. Being objective and realistic does not equate to worship of something. The state must have realistic analysts and advisors or it will be prone to miscalculations and blunders and many will pay the price for it. War in Iran does not affect me, my friend. You can have my prayers for your safety and well being but your misjudgement is off-putting.

 

[Urvan]

Believe me, other than a few trolls or brainwashed Basijis who have voluntarily buried their heads deep in the sand, everyone in Iran knows that a war with Iran may have tens of side effects and consequences for the world and the US, but one side effect for Iran is certain and beyond doubt: Iran's infrastructure will get flattened to dirt.

So, other than some Nigerian troll that isn't even an Iranian and some people who think Iran has wonder weapons that nobody else has, nobody in Iran, particularly scientists and professional soldiers believe that we can, or we should, take on the US forces in a war. The best we could do is bring them down with us by bringing the Western economy to a halt after Iran has been bombed to sh*t. Sure, the US may cease to exist as we know it after the war with Iran, but Iran will be hit much harder.

And let's not forget that whatever happens, the playground is Iran and the Middle East. So, at the end of the day, the destruction will be all ours in the Middle East. The US will only pay a huge economic price, and probably tens of thousands of lost soldiers (if the Ayatollahs man up and start being p*ssies). But the price will be huge for Iran and the Middle East. It could reshape the region for decades even worse than the Iraq war in 2003.

There are a lot of brainwashed people here.

I was almost banned for implying the similarity between Islam and Zoroastrianism, accused of an air of supremacy, accused of being a retard for my beliefs. They couldn't fathom that as an Iranian- irrespective of faith- I want what's best for Iran, and would have been fine with the system if it actually acted on the mandate to protect our people and ensure the future of the nation. It's failed in every way, as I explained above, but these people cannot fathom that. So many Iranians are steeped in denial, even the secular ones. The axe is falling and Iran is helpless. Just like the entire Muslim world let the genocide of the Palestinians happen. These people are very sensitive to the idea that their beliefs and their systems purport to stand for gheyrat and sharaf but in practice lack both. If they were true to their principles, the Islamic world and the greater Near East would be a force to be reckoned with. But they are infected with the same denial, the same corruption, the same influence of Druj that Iranians in general are. And that brings us to today.

The U.S. and Israel can always replenish. Their Jewish finance masters hold the strings of the world, they practically invented the economy as we know it today, they invented capitalism. There's a limitless nature to what they can do. Iran cannot. Iran does not have that advantage, it is sanctioned, and it does not have friends that are willing to pour everything into it. These people are high on lofty ideals of "dying standing up" like Hussein, and are forcing 90 million people to die standing up with them too, when the goal should not have been martyrdom or making a symbolic stand, but rather living, prospering, and bringing goodness to earth. You cannot take a stand against corruption if you aim to die doing so, if you consider weakness holy. Peace and just rule come from strength, power, and firmness. This is something the Islamic Republic does not understand ideologically, but it's the central tenet of human nature and international relations. In an anarchy of interests, the strong can protect their own and enforce just rule. Not those who aim to die for God to "bear witness".

 

[ShapurII]

There are a lot of brainwashed people here.

I was almost banned for implying the similarity between Islam and Zoroastrianism, accused of an air of supremacy, accused of being a retard for my beliefs. They couldn't fathom that as an Iranian- irrespective of faith- I want what's best for Iran, and would have been fine with the system if it actually acted on the mandate to protect our people and ensure the future of the nation. It's failed in every way, as I explained above, but these people cannot fathom that. So many Iranians are steeped in denial, even the secular ones. The axe is falling and Iran is helpless. Just like the entire Muslim world let the genocide of the Palestinians happen. These people are very sensitive to the idea that their beliefs and their systems purport to stand for gheyrat and sharaf but in practice lack both. If they were true to their principles, the Islamic world and the greater Near East would be a force to be reckoned with. But they are infected with the same denial, the same corruption, the same influence of Druj that Iranians in general are. And that brings us to today.

The U.S. and Israel can always replenish. Their Jewish finance masters hold the strings of the world, they practically invented the economy as we know it today, they invented capitalism. There's a limitless nature to what they can do. Iran cannot. Iran does not have that advantage, it is sanctioned, and it does not have friends that are willing to pour everything into it. These people are high on lofty ideals of "dying standing up" like Hussein, and are forcing 90 million people to die standing up with them too, when the goal should not have been martyrdom or making a symbolic stand, but rather living, prospering, and bringing goodness to earth. You cannot take a stand against corruption if you aim to die doing so, if you consider weakness holy.

Dude, so many valuable posters left the forum after Mahsa Amini's protests, including me. What has remained of old Iranian members on PDF is mostly limited to brainwashed Basijis who would believe anything that right-wing media in Iran spews and think anyone who rejects their fantasies is pro-West while in reality, nobody in Iran is more pro-West or pro-East than the people in power.

The truth is that Iran isn't even popular in the Muslim world to begin with. The majority of Muslims are happy that Iran is no longer in Syria, even though Syria was a stronghold against Israel that armed Hezbollah and the Palestinian resistance groups. Haniyeh's daughter rushed to send congratulations to the HTS after Russia told Assad to leave Syria. A lot of Muslims around the world will celebrate the day that the US attacks Iran. Sad, but true.

These people are all talk and no bite. Look at their past conflicts with the US and Israel in recent years. They fired 16 missiles at Ain Al-Assad in Iraq to retaliate for Soleimani's assassination. Not even a single American was killed. They fired over 200 missiles at Israel in TP1 and TP2. Not even a single Israeli was killed. Iran has the ability to heavily damage the US military, but I'm afraid that these Basijis and the Grand Ayatollah would never dare to do that. They're too afraid of the US. These people have way more investments in the West than an Iranian citizen could ever dream of.