Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

That's all he does. He just keeps tweeting about how God is going to destroy "Israel" any day now. He must genuinely believe it since he sits there doing nothing to help bring it about.

He's already 86. I wonder what sin we Iranians have done that we deserve him. He is literally driving the country into a gorge and he doesn't give up. Dude, you're 86. Let someone else with a younger mind and more realistic views come to power.

But then again, sometimes I wonder if it's not his fault either. Maybe he holds no power anymore. Maybe the system has become so compromised, infiltrated and corrupt that even he holds no real power.

It's hard to know if he is the only person responsible for this mess or there's something more sinister going on, but he is surely responsible for reaching this point.

 

[Persian Gulf]

good idea. subtle sign to USA to go f yourself.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

good idea. subtle sign to USA to go f yourself.

The leader is acting and talking wise. I understand the impatience and anger of some Iranians who say lets go nuclear now (even I had said it before), but for now we should try to enrich as much as possible, increase missile quantity and quality wise (including long distance ICBM) and let our diplomats to their work.

Going nuclear should be our last option and decision in the case that we reach a "nothing-to-lose" situation. That's the case when the enemy keeps threatening us, sanctions not being lifted, snapback mechanism being activated which will return all (lifted) sanctions against Iran.

 

[Hezb313]

The leader is acting and talking wise. I understand the impatience and anger of some Iranians who say lets go nuclear now (even I had said it before), but for now we should try to enrich as much as possible, increase missile quantity and quality wise (including long distance ICBM) and let our diplomats to their work.

Going nuclear should be our last option and decision in the case that we reach a "nothing-to-lose" situation. That's the case when the enemy keeps threatening us, sanctions not being lifted, snapback mechanism being activated which will return all (lifted) sanctions against Iran.

Honestly I would love to talk to khamenei, hajizadeh etc. so I can actually know what’s going on. Iran is one mass protest away from collapse, the currency ist broken, the birthrate is terrible and this deal will never happen. Israel will clean Gaza and we simply cannot stop them. So we are losing on every front. Even politically this republic becomes more and more questioned by everyone in Iran. There is no next rahbar character. We became a dead hollow „democracy“ with low Carisma figures like Europe or the us. Basically Nobody believes in the system khamenei is the glue holding it all together at least that’s how it feels to me. So the only way forward is a war. I simply cannot imagine an alternative for Iran all other options are instant losses. The war will be catastrophic but at least it’s not entirely doomed like the other options or the old stratigic patients model. Maybe irans faith is that of the uddsr

 

[Hezb313]

Honestly I would love to talk to khamenei, hajizadeh etc. so I can actually know what’s going on. Iran is one mass protest away from collapse, the currency ist broken, the birthrate is terrible and this deal will never happen. Israel will clean Gaza and we simply cannot stop them. So we are losing on every front. Even politically this republic becomes more and more questioned by everyone in Iran. There is no next rahbar character. We became a dead hollow „democracy“ with low Carisma figures like Europe or the us. Basically Nobody believes in the system khamenei is the glue holding it all together at least that’s how it feels to me. So the only way forward is a war. I simply cannot imagine an alternative for Iran all other options are instant losses. The war will be catastrophic but at least it’s not entirely doomed like the other options or the old stratigic patients model. Maybe irans faith is that of the uddsr

But the us and Israel will never start this war why should they Iran is decaying and the hyenas want to feast soon.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Honestly I would love to talk to khamenei, hajizadeh etc. so I can actually know what’s going on. Iran is one mass protest away from collapse, the currency ist broken, the birthrate is terrible and this deal will never happen. Israel will clean Gaza and we simply cannot stop them. So we are losing on every front. Even politically this republic becomes more and more questioned by everyone in Iran. There is no next rahbar character. We became a dead hollow „democracy“ with low Carisma figures like Europe or the us. Basically Nobody believes in the system khamenei is the glue holding it all together at least that’s how it feels to me. So the only way forward is a war. I simply cannot imagine an alternative for Iran all other options are instant losses. The war will be catastrophic but at least it’s not entirely doomed like the other options or the old stratigic patients model. Maybe irans faith is that of the uddsr

Islamic republic should adapt to the new situation, adopt more nationalism (which they already did) and radically change their very weak media, propaganda and anti-corruption policy. Indeed full democracy is not something that fits our country, geography and interests.

 

[Abdul q]

Did US make up it's mind about enrichment ? One time it says 3.67% while other time it says no enrichment.

US doesn't have a plan. Besides trying to scare Iran into making concessions. It doesn't have anything operational in action. Especially since Gulf Arabs refuse to allow them to use their countries as launching pads.

Iran would be smart to stick to it's guns.

Loooks like they’re taking time to build up to support pi**rael in bombing campaign…. Highly unlikely for talks to go through

 

[ShapurII]

Islamic republic should adapt to the new situation, adopt more nationalism (which they already did) and radically change their very weak media, propaganda and anti-corruption policy. Indeed full democracy is not something that fits our country, geography and interests.

They have had ample time to do this. Every year, they repel more people. They become more anti-people, make more mistakes to piss people off. Just this week, they are suddenly, out of the blue, talking about arresting people for owning dogs! This is beyond ridiculous, and completely unheard of in the world. They are become more corrupt every month to get more rapidly to the point of collapse and no return. It seems it's all carefully planned at this point.

Even people like Omid Dana, who literally risked his life in Sweden to defend the regime, have turned 180 degrees and are now against the regime. This regime cannot be saved. The idea that they can be reformed into a rational entity serving Iranians is a delusion that has been tried many times since the Khatami era. Reformists failed, and later fell into the arms of the Western countries. Independent people like Omid Dana failed. Everyone who has tried to find a way to save the regime has failed.

And the worst part is that we don't know why. Sometimes I question myself if the problem is really Khamenei. But it seems impossible for only a single person to be the reason for all this mess. I'm afraid something carefully planned against the nation of Iran is ongoing.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I wonder what sin we Iranians have done that we deserve him.

I'd argue that the sin was the inability to form even a semi-decent oppositional alternative for almost half a decade now. What real alternatives to IR do we have right now? Some MEK monkeys hiding in Albania and the old Shah's failson who can't even keep the loyalty of his own wife? There seem to be no domestic movements other than sporadic protests vaguely organized around some CIA twitter hashtag every few years. So in that sense maybe Iranians deserve what they have.

And the worst part is that we don't know why. Sometimes I question myself if the problem is really Khamenei. But it seems impossible for only a single person to be the reason for all this mess.

Iranians have spent so long under foreign rule over the last millennium and a half that it's completely stunted domestic political development. Modern Iranian history has been quite sad; the Qajars, other than a few exceptions, basically saw Iran as a exploitable resource to fund their own lifestyles rather than a nation to actually rule and develop to the point that they bought an army with foreign officers from Russia to enforce their rule. Mossadegh and the National Front being crushed by US/UK and the IR suppressing nationalists post '79 has lead to where we are now.
Shia Islam has been used as a substitute for the development of a cohesive national identity since the Safavids; Khamenei's still tweeting about how all Muslims should stand against "Israel" while even this ex-ISIS Jewlani guy is crying about how he loves jews and that they have the same enemies (Iranians).
Some Iranians and especially expats seem to expect things to magically get better if IR goes, without actually putting any political organizing effort in. What do they expect to replace the IR? Do they expect Iran to become a white european democracy if their politicians start shaving? Maybe they expect foreigners to do all the work and are happy with being an occupied puppet state; perhaps centuries of foreign rule has made that seem like an ok outcome.

So the only way forward is a war. I simply cannot imagine an alternative for Iran all other options are instant losses. The war will be catastrophic but at least it’s not entirely doomed like the other options or the old stratigic patients model. Maybe irans faith is that of the uddsr

I think you are right, if Iran is invaded, will Iranians rise up and defend their nation? If not, then it will be permanently destroyed this time around.

 

[Flotilla]

Khamenei is playing the same old "man naboodam dastam bood, taghsire astinam bood". Using the reformists as an excuse to impose another bad deal on Iran, like the JCPOA.

If he's truly against negotiations, the negotiations should stop immediately. The US is clearly not interested in resolving our issues. Their main focus is to defang Iran by placing limits on our nuclear program. There is no point in negotiation with the US in this case.

The only solution left is to go nuclear.

I think you're wrong at this point. Khamenei cannot wake up and abandon the table. That would be interpreted as a closed door to negotiation and would be used by zionists media to allow future strikes. Khamenei is smart and is paying the the role of negotiator to the end. But I agree with you that after Irak, Gaza, Yemen and Lebanon Iran must be aware that complete destruction is fully accepted by western countries as diplomatic policy.

 

[vmro]

I think you're wrong at this point. Khamenei cannot wake up and abandon the table. That would be interpreted as a closed door to negotiation and would be used by zionists media to allow future strikes. Khamenei is smart and is paying the the role of negotiator to the end. But I agree with you that after Irak, Gaza, Yemen and Lebanon Iran must be aware that complete destruction is fully accepted by western countries as diplomatic policy.

All of these lands are created in post-colonial fashion, which means boundaries without too much common sense but with deeply divided communities inside the borders, with various ways to create internal conflict... they were created with integrated possibility of being disintegrated if their former colonial rulers decided to do it...

Yemeni struggles are not some western patent, they have been in trouble with all regional powers like Egypt, Turkish and Saudis, Yemeni Imamat has a centuries long history of resistance to foreign attacks... Lebanon during creation of the country was projected to be fragile and vulnerable, as well as Iraq, while Gaza is small tiny enclave...

Brutal assaults of this places is cutting off the Iranian long-hand network...

Iran is not invention of London-Paris laboratory, so is not particularly comparable to any of those countries, at least still not... Iran could take their way to disaster only with deep internal animosity, like zionistic failure to divide and then conflict Azeris with "Persian oppressors"...
But they failed...

 

[Persian Gulf]

lost my entire 7 day victory plan

Mossad, you win this time

 

[BigMela2onin]

lost my entire 7 day victory plan

Mossad, you win this time

Why, what happened?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Why, what happened?

website was hacked, earlier saved version was restored, all posts in the last 12-24 hours were lost

 

[vmro]

I thought it was just me, mossad and/or hgc tasking me to support bitcoin scam... :|